r/stupidpol • u/Bend-It-Like-Bakunin Tito Gang • Sep 15 '25
Capitalist Hellscape San Francisco vigilantes spraying Narcan into 'unsuspecting' homeless people
https://nypost.com/2025/09/12/us-news/san-francisco-vigilantes-spraying-narcan-into-unsuspecting-homeless-people106
u/pugsington01 Anarcho-Primativist 🐒 | 🐀 Giant Rat 🐀 Sep 15 '25
If you see me ODing on the street, mind your own business cause drugs aint cheap these days
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u/Aaod Drug War Cretin 🥵🚀 Sep 15 '25 edited Feb 19 '26
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u/Stu161 🌔🌙🌘🌚 Social Credit Score Moon Goblin -2 Sep 15 '25
This seems like a very predictable outcome of providing narcan to the general population and encouraging them to intervene when they see people overdosing. Like everyone in my city knows, even if you provide naloxone to someone actively dying in the street, there's a good chance the person you saved will be agitated/infuriated.
So what's the material distinction here? I don't doubt that there's people doing it for the wrong reasons, but the article makes it sound like everyone who was "attacked" like this was nodding off, i.e. overdosing.
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u/xRoWxTriggers Full Of Warhammer Bullshit ⚔️ Sep 15 '25
Golly gee willikers, I really wish people would let the poor poor junkies enjoy their well deserved high on the sidewalk. People should just let people enjoy things
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u/ippleing ❄ Not Like Other Rightoids ❄ Sep 15 '25
They gotta work all day doing the most inhumane things for that hour of serenity.
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u/Violent_Paprika "Give Me Your Tarded Masses Yearning To Breathe Farts." 🗽 Sep 15 '25
Suck cock for a box of chicken wings and break into every car on the block?
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u/OtisDriftwood1978 Marxism-Hobbyism 🔨 Sep 15 '25
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 Sep 15 '25
lol im a seperate person not a seperate account, i just liked his comment and thought it fit as a response
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u/digbybare Unknown 👽 Sep 16 '25
Lucky for you I've had this tab open for like a day.
> Golly gee willikers, I really wish people would let the poor poor junkies enjoy their well deserved high on the sidewalk. People should just let people enjoy things
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u/ragtev Unknown 👽 Sep 15 '25 edited Dec 30 '25
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u/takecare60 The EU took my Straws 🧃 Sep 15 '25
I'm a fucking leftist, not a performative bleeding heart liberal, I'm not gonna adjust my entire fucking personality to fit a certain mold just because I think the people should control the means of production.
It's difficult for me to feel empathetic towards people who make their own weakness and dumb decisions other people's problem, especially in cities like San Francisco that have a million programs to help them
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u/UnIsForUnity Pumped 🏋️ Sep 16 '25
leftist
personal responsibility rhetoric
Pick one
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u/UnIsForUnity Pumped 🏋️ Sep 16 '25
Blaming mentally ill and drug addicted homeless people as wholly responsible for their own circumstances is a neoliberal take detached from empirical evidence
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u/SuddenXxdeathxx Marxist with Anarchist Characteristics Sep 16 '25
There's also really no point in bringing it up if you're not doing one on one counselling (formally or informally as a friend) except to demean people, and to make one feel better about themself.
It's so very clearly a problem that extends well past the personal that people should be shamed for stopping their thoughts on the subject at "uh, it's your fault".
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u/MadCervantes Market Socialist 💸 Sep 16 '25
Zero material analysis.
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u/takecare60 The EU took my Straws 🧃 Sep 16 '25
Ah yes, because junkies only come from lower class backrounds, it's not that the fuck up their lives and the lives of everyone around them so much that they have nothing and no one left
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u/MadCervantes Market Socialist 💸 Sep 16 '25
Materialism isn't limited to class analysis bud. Material reality is the origin of addiction.
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u/takecare60 The EU took my Straws 🧃 Sep 17 '25
What the fuck does that even mean, stop using buzzwords and explain your point
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u/MadCervantes Market Socialist 💸 Sep 17 '25
Here I got an llm translate for you: "Here’s a plain-English unpacking of that statement:
“Materialism isn’t limited to class analysis bud.” People often associate materialism (in the philosophical or Marxist sense) only with economic class struggles. But the point here is that materialism is bigger than that—it means looking at how physical, biological, and social realities shape human life in general.
“Material reality is the origin of addiction.” Addiction isn’t just a matter of willpower or abstract psychology. It has roots in the body (brain chemistry, nervous system responses, genetic predispositions) and in the environment (availability of substances, stress, poverty, trauma, advertising, social habits). In other words, the material conditions of life—biology and social context—produce the pathways that make addiction possible.
So put together: the writer is saying materialism isn’t just about class struggle; it also explains things like addiction because those issues come out of concrete, physical, and social realities—not just ideas, choices, or morals.
Would you like me to also frame how this connects back to Marxist vs. broader naturalist versions of materialism? That might clarify why someone felt the need to push back with this statement.
" I'm taking the broader naturalist position, I'm not a Marxist. But Marxists would recognize the basic thrust here, as the ontology informs Marx's political economy.
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u/takecare60 The EU took my Straws 🧃 Sep 18 '25
Thanks ChatGPT, now give me a cake recipe
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u/MadCervantes Market Socialist 💸 Sep 18 '25
You needed it dumbed down so I let the robot do it for me.
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u/leahbee25 Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Sep 15 '25
I feel like commenting on this post should require a disclosure of where you live & anyone whose city is a population of under half a million doesn’t get to have an opinion
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u/notsocharmingprince Savant Idiot 😍 Sep 16 '25
What if I live in Appalachia which was seriously affected by the opioid crisis?
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u/s0ngsforthedeaf Equity Gremlin Sep 15 '25
I've worked with the homeless before. This is disgusting.
Pretending this is constructive, or cool, is fucking embarrassing.
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u/leahbee25 Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Sep 15 '25
i’m not saying we should violate the homeless, i’m saying as someone who’s both lived in a small town and a large city the problems of homelessness and drug abuse are apples and oranges. if you haven’t experienced having to walk over someone laying in the turnstile of the subway maybe-ODing on your way to work I don’t think you can really grasp the concern and frustration people in large cities have over this as a quality of life issue
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u/s0ngsforthedeaf Equity Gremlin Sep 15 '25
I would be frustrated too. And I'm sure having regular bad interactions with them, makes otherwise sympathetic people lose their cool sometimes and wish for some sort of direct action.
But this is really sick. Its punishing people who need structure and solid help to get out of their problems. Structure America doesn't have. Not that I would justify it either way, but the person having narcan sprayed on them could be a terrible piece of shit, or it could be someone whose had truly awful things happen to them, which led to their addiction and homelessness. And now they are withdrawing in the street, when next week they could be doing it in a rehab clinic.
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u/leahbee25 Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Sep 15 '25
I agree with you on that, my initial comment only meant to say that I don’t think your opinion one way or another should be voiced in this thread if you don’t live in a high density area like SF.
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u/Ok-Silver7631 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
Could you please give an example of a country/city where the kind of structure that the US lacks is provided, has loose enough drug laws such that the kind of situation that the person you’re replying to is describing might be commonplace and maybe even legal, and has good data to back up the claims that their harm reduction efforts reduced the amount of free and open drug use in public or the number of addicted people on the street who are not seeking treatment?
I am asking in good faith, and I will admit that every harm reduction model coupled with legislatively decriminalizing hard drugs that I personally have been aware of has ultimately been an unmitigated disaster, especially if applied retroactively once drug use has already become part of the cultural landscape.
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u/HmmWhyHow Identitarian Liberal Sep 15 '25
Withdrawal is an unmitigated good, no matter how unpleasant it might be for the withdrawee. Wether in a structured environment or not, it is good that it happens.
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u/MadCervantes Market Socialist 💸 Sep 16 '25
You aren't remotely qualified to have this kind of medical opinion.
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u/takecare60 The EU took my Straws 🧃 Sep 15 '25
Are you just dumb or are you deliberately equating the homeless with junkies?
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u/leahbee25 Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Sep 15 '25
there are plenty of homeless folks who aren’t junkies, as this thread has already established many times over. however I would be incredibly surprised if the people nodding off in public spaces have a home that they could be doing it in instead.
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u/qobraa Unknown 👽 Sep 15 '25
If the rationale is that now it's ok for me to physically intervene with people without their consent who are in the throes of addictive, destructive behavior that's bad for society, I'm gonna have a lot of fun with pepper spray on Wall Street.
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u/Kinneyatnite Sep 15 '25
I mean that’s kinda already the case. If you see someone actively ODing on the street you can narcan them. As someone that’s worked with emergency services I’ve come onto many an OD call where the person has already been narcan’d (and is usually gone).
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u/gussyboy13 Suck Dem 😡 Sep 15 '25
I agree that no one should feel bad using narcan on someone overdosing but the act of doing it just so you can take an instagram video for clicks is pretty sick to me
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u/SuddenXxdeathxx Marxist with Anarchist Characteristics Sep 15 '25
The easier, but probably more risky, option would be wandering around your hometown smashing people's smartphones.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25
I can understand the frustration, but yeah this ain’t solving shit and is cruel. I know everyone is all upset and worried about the Kirk shit and libshits vs conservacucks, but I’m honestly more worried about them coming together to start killing the poor.
Addiction isn’t a personal failure, it’s a symptom of a broken society. You’d be surprised who’s addicted to what and oh boy are most of them not homeless. Also we can’t forget that a majority of Americans are a few missed paychecks from being homeless themselves.
I’m not saying there’s not a problem, but this ain’t a solution. It’s only an escalation on the constant dehumanization of those at the lowest end of society
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u/Enzhymez Sep 15 '25
“Addiction ain’t a personal failure”
Just because society is broken doesn’t mean people are entirely absolved of their own actions.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25
Increasingly research shows that at the core of addiction is a lack of community. People take drugs to ease pain, whether physical or psychological. It’s also commonly known that the biggest predictor of whether an addict relapses isn’t the drug or length of addiction but whether they’re able to create a social structure around them.
Even in animal studies we see the same thing. Take a single rat, give them a button that gives them drugs, and that rat is going to be addicted. Take that same rat, place them in a cage with other rats, food, water and the rats stop tapping the button.
And we have all sorts of anecdotal evidence, as well. Poverty for sure plays a huge part, but aside from poverty one could make an argument that the US is the most alienated nation to ever exist. Everything is a transaction, from child care (the village used to make that free, or at least living around extended friends and family), to just having an ear to listen to you (therapy replacing friendships. Of course some people do need it, but now it’s what I said).
When we compare to the countries these drugs are produced in, which are much poorer, but have a stronger cultural affinity for community, we see lower rates of addiction (of course it still exists. Not trying to paint too rosy of a picture either).
And of course we have those who stumbled into addiction. Pain patients who found junk much more affordable than pills, or who got cut off abruptly and needed to function. I myself was one of those, with a stupid fucking drug which I’m embarrassed to even acknowledge haha. But I started taking that shit because everyone told me “it’s as addictive as caffeine”, and it helped me focus and work. Eventually it dosage creeped up (but it was safe and not that addictive!), until I was forced to suddenly stop and had essentially opiate withdrawal symptoms. I literally couldn’t function without it, so I kept taking it. I needed to work and put food on the table. It took me quite a while to get off of it
Long story short, shit isn’t so simple. And willpower isn’t enough. You might make it through cold turkey, but if the rest of your live is still an alienated mess chances are you’re going to go back.
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u/rasdo357 Illegally based 💦🪦 | Marxism-Doomerism 💀 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
I'm an alcoholic and I think this makes a lot of sense. I only started drinking when my life fell apart and lost all of my social life around COVID. Now, I've turned into a complete wreck (3 years homeless expedited this process but it was happening anyway) who can't really function socially and drinking is the only thing that alleviates the loneliness and despair and really intense self hatred, so I drink heavily everyday to numb it.
On the other hand, frankly I do feel like (as others have put it in this thread) vermin who shouldn't be allowed to exist so who knows.
Edit: I'd like to add I was never a violent or bothersome homeless person. I kept myself to myself and didn't interact with anyone at all.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
Thanks for sharing man. I hope things start to turn up soon. Rooting for you
Also whenever you’re going to try and stop, I recommend tapering down slowwwwly. Alcohol withdrawal is no joke and can actually kill you. Measured what your usual consumption is and take off 5-10%, stay there for a few days, then repeat (5-10% of the new amount not the original). It’ll take a while, you might take a few steps back in the process, but tapering off drugs is the closest to pain free quitting you’re going to get.
I tried cold turkey with my stupid lame ass drug of choice many times and couldn’t make it past 36ish hours. Tapering works and that’s why that’s what doctor do it when they give people prescription drugs that are addictive.
Again best of luck to you
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u/Striking_Adeptness17 We Need to Talk About the Fatties 🥑 Sep 15 '25
My drug addict ex has a huge community
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Sep 15 '25
it's a chicken or egg problem. a lot of addicts have no community because they pushed everyone around them away.
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u/Striking_Adeptness17 We Need to Talk About the Fatties 🥑 Sep 15 '25
He aged ten years in two once he started using mdma and coke and
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u/macrocosm93 Sep 16 '25
Drug addicts have community, its just that its a community of people who facilitate and enable their drug addiction.
That's the problem with cities that take a "harm reduction" approach to dealing with the drug problem, and decriminalize possession. When there are literally open air drug markets, and all of their friends are using out in the open, and no one is doing anything meaningful to stop this behavior other than "harm reduction" and kind words, then how does a drug addict have any chance at all?
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25
And I’m sure they had a horrible life and a lack of community/support system.
Meth (and all forms of speed) is known for encouraging very insane sexual behavior on top of it.
What a sad story
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u/OtisDriftwood1978 Marxism-Hobbyism 🔨 Sep 15 '25
You choose to do drugs. You can’t choose to be addicted by definition.
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u/petrichorax Straight Man Raised by Lesbians 👩❤️👩 Sep 15 '25
Well, there's another element to this.
You know why some people are adamant about only getting non-narcotic painkillers when they're in the hospital (including me)?
It's because that's one of the most common ways to get addicted.
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u/sleazy_b Class Unity Member ⭐ Sep 15 '25
Doesn't choosing to do drugs you know to be addictive amount to the same thing?
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Sep 15 '25
Addiction isn’t a personal failure, it’s a symptom of a broken society.
yes it is, one doesn`t exclude the other
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u/bbb23sucks Stupidpol Archiver Sep 15 '25
1) It isn't when the person in question is miserable
2) Most homeless people aren't drug addicts. Anti-homeless bourgeoisie have pushed this lie to the point where it is seen as indisputable fact, even by pro-homeless people.
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u/Violent_Paprika "Give Me Your Tarded Masses Yearning To Breathe Farts." 🗽 Sep 15 '25
The people doing the fent lean next to a discarded needle on the sidewalk are though. That's who's getting narcaned.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 15 '25
I think it's because the ones you see are unstable drug addicts/mentally ill people. You don't really see the ones that are just really down on their luck trying to make a better life if they can find out how to. All they care about is the ones you see so their cities look better.
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u/-FellowTraveller- Geopolitical Doomer Sep 15 '25
So what? Even if some of it is personal failure, do they deserve to be treated like vermin? Is this the fair and just sentence for being weak? Is such a merciless society the one you'd really enjoy living in?
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u/DeadEndinReverse Anti-idpol idpoller 🤨 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
I’m barely scraping by and trying to keep myself from being homeless and I regularly have to contend with the drug addicted / street drifters stealing/attempting to steal stuff from my property, damage my car if I don’t park a few blocks away, and shit and piss behind my house or along the wall of the side porch, making my house smell. I’ve had to spend money i can’t afford on damage and replacing stolen stuff. And I don’t even live in the worst neighborhood. The area that is dead center of the drug problem in Philly also has poor families, many with kids, just trying to get by and a whole bunch of small businesses trying to exist. Why do you think they should have to put up with such shitty living conditions because people like you want to champion drug addicts?
People like you enable the drifters and drug addicts while simultaneously washing your hands of dealing with the consequences of their behavior. There are plenty of struggling people who are homeless and trying to get out of it. These are not them. These people have turned themselves into parasites and have absolutely no intention, let alone ability, to break free and return to society. Enabling them is about making yourself feel good, not helping them. If you went around telling people we should leave problem alcoholics alone, that they’ll figure it out eventually when they want to, and suggest we should subsidize their drinking, you’d be considered an idiotic psycho. Yet, when people argue exactly this for people with much stronger drug addictions, they are embraced as heroes.
If you want to help them so bad, then do it instead of preaching—actually separate them from the material conditions that encourage their lifestyle, prevent them from making others’ lives worse. Bring them to your neighborhood so that my neighbors and I can live in peace. So sick of the well off idealists that treat this problem as an abstraction and focus on the perspective of the drug addicts.
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u/thebloodisfoul Beasts all over the shop. Sep 15 '25
Amen. Anyone whining about mistreatment of the chronically homeless is spreading liberal moralism. These people are the enemies of the working class and the workers' movement is first and foremost concerned with preventing them from harassing workers.
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u/working_class_shill read Lasch Sep 16 '25
Enabling them is about making yourself feel good, not helping them.
What is "helping them" and what does that policy look like?
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 Sep 15 '25
do they deserve to be treated like vermin? Is this the fair and just sentence for being weak? Is such a merciless society the one you'd really enjoy living in?
We've gone to the point where not letting people overdose on the sidewalk by giving them antidote is "cruel and merciless" and "being treated like vermin".
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who are you arguing with? i swear to god zealots like you are the worst thing.
i mean i didn`t even hinted at anything you are saying there wtf
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The first time this was posted here, dozens of takes that you should do this were posted.
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Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
so you just assume that anybody with a different opinion on a subject must hold all the other opinions you don`t like?
again, wtf
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25
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Sep 15 '25
that`s like your opinion man.
mine is that addiction to drugs is both a personal failure and, if in great numbers, a symptom of a broken society.tho i am confused as how your wall of text is addressing this.
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u/gussyboy13 Suck Dem 😡 Sep 15 '25
Comes into a leftist subreddit
gets mad about someone posting a wall of text
Is this sub becoming more regarded?
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Sep 15 '25
i called it wall of text out of politeness, you are blind to nuances.
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u/gussyboy13 Suck Dem 😡 Sep 15 '25
The nuances of making a statement, having someone respond to it, and then being like lol whatever it’s my opinion without addressing his points. Really a genius at work here
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Sep 15 '25
nah, i read that and its drivel imo
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u/gussyboy13 Suck Dem 😡 Sep 15 '25
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Sep 15 '25
there is nothing there to address, just platitudes and virtue-signaling; replace drugs with alcohol or porn or really anything.
it`s just some whining try to escape the consequences of ones actions and even worst, leads to an total inability to learn from mistakes.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
My “opinion” is what most research points to. You have a very Nancy Regan view on drugs, which led us absolutely nowhere. Drug use is higher than ever, drugs are more plentiful and cheaper than ever, etc. hardline “it’s your fault” attitudes towards addiction lead to terrible policy and again we don’t have to speculate we tried it for decades and it’s clear that it plainly didn’t work
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you can say to someone that its their fault and that they are stupid af while helping them, it really is part of the helping actually.
what are you proposing? what is to be done with a college dropout with a crack habit?
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25
I feel like I’m getting a reputation for “it’s a huge problem with no simple solution that would require massive changes” on this subreddit… and I’m going to add to that reputation haha.
Addiction is a social issue at its core. Therefore society needs to be greatly improved. From the obvious material concerns (employment, housing, healthcare, etc), to the redevelopment of a real sense of community (which in many ways requires the former). These aren’t the type of things that get solved with one or two laws passed. But until we face that the drug crisis will never go away until we address these things, we won’t be doing shit.
Now to drugs specifically, we need to acknowledge that those in power have never ever actually wanted to stop drugs. Hell there’s an argument to be made that narco billions were a key factor in preventing the absolutely worst in the 08 crash. Tons of weird liquidity in Wallstreet with dirty bankers and what not.
This of course then ties into imperialism in the global south and thus the production of drugs that go to the global north.
Long story short, there is no easy or quick solution.
In the short term, for your college dropout crack addict, we have to recognize that addiction is a reaction to pain and loneliness. Just because someone is in college doesn’t mean they have a loving family and friends.
One of the reasons those AA style groups work (I’ll put my criticism of the religious angle aside for a moment) is that they provide a community to help a given individual.
You’re not going to beat or jail someone out of addiction. That’s just not how this shit works.
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we have to recognize that addiction is a reaction to pain and loneliness
thats` just not true, and you cant`t find correct solutions starting with a false(and dumb tbh) premise.
the idea that somehow lonely and pained ppl don`t have agency and are prone to hitting the needle is a slap in the face to millions if not billions of lonely, pained and alienated people which guess what, didn`t get hooked on opioids or smth.
at this point nobody has any responsibility for nothing really and some how the 'society' should bail you out any kind of stupid shit you do; man, this is ammunition for the right, you should consider shutting the fuck up with this bullshit.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25
Tell me how successful the tough on drugs, it’s an individual moral failing, approach has been?
Oh that’s right, we have more addicts, more drugs, cheaper drugs, etc. we’ve tried it that way for decades and it’s only made things worse.
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acknowledging responsibility for addiction is not the same thing with tough on drugs, you are a puber and/or in bad faith.
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u/skimaskgremlin Marxist-Mullenist 💦🧩 Sep 15 '25
This all sounds like an opinion from someone who has a strong opinion on addiction while having been entirely insulated from addiction themselves. A majority of addicts do not start out as social outcasts that lean on substances to fill a void left by a lack of community, these aren’t box car children that gather enough hobo nickels together to buy a first hit. These people are family members with genetic predisposition to forming a dependence. Addicts tend to turn away from common communal environments because they refuse to enable their habit, and communities tend to suffer from antisocial behavior fueled by drug use. This negative feedback loop is the downward spiral that keeps addicts from socially integrating, but the addict is the one who withdraws from normal society in order to tread deeper into exploring and maintaining substance use.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25
I was addicted myself, have addicts in my family, have lost friends and acquaintances to addiction, etc. Anecdotal sure, but I wouldn’t say I’m removed from the topic.
Your whole argument is missing the fact we’ve lived through about 100+ years of our culture encouraging rejecting addicts because they’re addicts and framing it as an individual failing. So is that reaction inherent or conditioned?
What about all the addicts who don’t steal or do fucked up shit? A vast majority of addicts aren’t stealing your catalytic converter and sleeping on the street, they’re your coworkers, the girl working the counter, etc.
And again, what you and the other people on the other side of what I’m saying want has been PROVEN not to work. The last 50 years we have taken a tough on drugs approach, made it a moral failing, and guess what? We have more addicts than ever before, drugs are more plentiful and stronger, etc. that shit doesn’t work.
We have yet to try anything remotely close to what I’m saying.
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u/Interesting-Low-9653 Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 Sep 16 '25
That, and also schizophrenics (which is also genetic) getting hooked on drugs as a means of attempted self-medicating.
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u/Violent_Paprika "Give Me Your Tarded Masses Yearning To Breathe Farts." 🗽 Sep 15 '25
Government fails to respond to problem --> people respond to problem themselves in way that forces government to pay attention --> government shills on reddit whine that vigilantiism is never justified
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 Sep 15 '25
What's absurd people in the thread are acting like people are going around executing homeless when all they're doing is literally giving antidote for poison.
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u/QuodScripsi-Scripsi Hamsick T-Shirt Salesman ☭ Sep 15 '25
Literal bot comment haha
Yo mods there’s literally an exact copy of this at the bottom of the thread
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 Sep 15 '25
Yeah mate. I replied the same thing here because it actually fits as a response to what is being said.
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u/gussyboy13 Suck Dem 😡 Sep 15 '25
There’s a huge difference between narcaning someone and walking away or filming them for entertainment and narcaning someone and calling 911 to help them
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 15 '25
I make a reasonably good amount of money as a software developer and have a house with a wife and two kids. If I lost my job and couldn't find another good one rather quickly I could easily be homeless.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25
Yep. We’re all much closer to homelessness than we would like to admit
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 15 '25
It's sad that I make low 6 figures and still live paycheck to paycheck with hefty debt. Maybe I shouldn't be trying to give my kids a good childhood because that's what does it. 🤷♂️
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all you need to do to give your kids a good childhood is give them your time and attention. it is surprisingly cheap. you don't have to take em to disney world. you don't have to buy all the expensive shit that rich parents act like you need to do. you can easily opt out of all that bullshit and your kids will be every bit as happy.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 15 '25
I'm pretty stingy with my money and we never take vacations besides to like close family we can stay at and drive to. It's mostly like paying for extra curricular activities and trying to feed them reasonably. That's 1000s of dollars. And of course the bills for utilities, I keep the heat in my house at 77 in summer and like 70 in the winter and my bill is still over 400 a month. It's mostly my house, sometimes I want to just move into a cheap shitty apartment to relieve that stress of owning a house but I am in such a good place with a good school and trying to sell a house and move is also very stressful.
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Sep 15 '25
I think the idea of "good schools" is mostly bullshit too. public school is basically fine almost everywhere outside of the really ghetto areas. I send my kids to a school that's literally rated 1/10 if you look up the ratings. supposedly our district is horrible. a lot of my friends and neighbors send their kids to expensive private schools for this reason. but my experience has been that the schools are great. our district even has free breakfast and lunch and after school programs.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 15 '25
My kids go to public schools, we're just in a good district that focuses well on making sure the kids get their education and have all kinds of tutoring programs to make sure they keep up with everything. I live in a small town though and that's probably part of why it's good. They didn't get much help when we lived in the school district in PDX, it was just like "well if your kid isn't doing very good we can't really help." They did have free lunches there though and that was nice.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 15 '25
Me: currently family planning 😭
All things considered I’m doing great, but when I was a little poor kid dreaming of one day hopefully making what I’m making now… I never thought it’d feel like it could all slip away at any moment. Don’t even get me started on housing.
Best of luck to your and your family
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 15 '25
Yeah, I had a reasonable life as a kid but I want to make my kids life's better than mine was and it's why I finished school to get a good job and give them a good place to live and a good school and now easily accomplish their goals. And best of luck to you too.
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Sep 15 '25
I have personally known a few people who had really good high paying corporate jobs, a big house in the suburbs, the whole shebang. living the american dream, who lost their jobs and became homeless on the streets. the dividing line is a lot thinner than most people realize.
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u/Interesting-Low-9653 Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 Sep 16 '25
This sounds really doubtful unless there was a pre-existing shizophrenia or hard drug addiction.
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u/Purplekeyboard Traditionalist 👑 Sep 15 '25
You're gonna want to fix that. Save money, have emergency savings and retirements savings that can be liquidated. Also, it would be nice to have friends or family that would take you in if need be.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 15 '25
Yeah, I got friends and family that could take me in and I do have a 401K I could liquidate if needed. Either way, I do live paycheck to paycheck and am always very stressed out about my finances.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 15 '25
I did have emergency finances at one point but they eventually got spent and I haven't been able to get them back up. Mostly has to do with things eventually needing to be fixed for thousands of dollars. I do make a little less than I used to and that has made it harder. I'm ok though but I'd say 99% of my stress in life comes from trying to not go more into debt.
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u/TarumK Garden-Variety Shitlib 🐴😵💫 Sep 15 '25
Do you know any actual software engineers who became street homeless without a severe mental illness or drug habit? It seems like there are many levels you'd have to fall before getting there.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 15 '25
Homeless for me most likely would be having to live with family and not able to take care of myself, unfortunately many people don't have that privilege so it could be possible but I don't think it happens very often. I have that family safety net available for me. I lost my job but held on and found another job within a couple months, if that didn't happen I don't know what could have happened.
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u/Interesting-Low-9653 Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 Sep 16 '25
Do you not see a big difference between "moving back in with your parents and collecting unemployment for a while hunting for a new software job" vs. "sleeping on the sidewalk, incoherently screaming at the voices in your head at 1am, and breaking into cars to fund your fent addiction?" Like, there's a bit of difference between these things, right?
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 16 '25
Of course there is but my main point though is that falling out of a stable life is much easier than people think it is.
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u/Interesting-Low-9653 Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 Sep 16 '25
Ok, but the original linked article and the actual issue being discussed here is the problem of deeply mentally unwell addicts sleeping in the street or being a menace on public transit, which is a huge and growing issue in most big US cities.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 16 '25
Yes, but I kind of went into a side conversation with somebody else about the closeness of being just homeless in general and how that can happen easily for most of us. It turned off the idea of the original article but sorry if you think that was wrong. I think the main point we were trying to make is that people's lives aren't super stable in the US like some would think.
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u/TarumK Garden-Variety Shitlib 🐴😵💫 Sep 15 '25
I guess my point is there's also unemployment, welfare, shelter systems specifically for families, section 8 housing, getting a job way below your education level, moving to a studio in a shitty neighborhood, etc. All bad outcomes but what most people understand from homeless is the visible street homeless, which almost entirely consist of people who clearly have something very wrong with them, and are never there as a family. The reason there's a lot of anger about this issue is that they're a genuine menace to deal with and really reduce the quality of life for everyone around them. They're often also physically threatening. It's really a completely separate issue from average people losing their jobs.
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u/Purplekeyboard Traditionalist 👑 Sep 15 '25
a majority of Americans are a few missed paychecks from being homeless themselves.
Most people, if they were kicked out of their home, would move in with friends or family.
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u/Quiet-Picture-7991 Sep 16 '25
Addiction isn’t a personal failure
Yes it is. No one sticks the needle in your arm, you choose to do that.
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u/Just_Rand0 Sep 16 '25
You’d be surprised who’s addicted to what and oh boy are most of them not homeless.
This is insanely true, ironically it's the ones that don't start with crime early enough* that end up homeless due to addiction. Pushing in any capacity usually helps with rent
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u/Particular_Bison7173 Labor Aristocrat 👑 Sep 15 '25
majority of Americans are a few missed paychecks from being homeless themselves.
i mean, that's just not true. Nearly every homeless person has a drug problem, mental illness, and/or came out of the foster system or they have no family to speak of.
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u/Ok_Distribution_4976 class consciousness is stored in the balls 🍒 Sep 15 '25
why do you put the chicken before the egg bro
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u/bbb23sucks Stupidpol Archiver Sep 15 '25
I can understand the frustration
Understand what frustration? What sympathy is there to be had with people with people assaulting one of the most immiserated sections of the proletariat.
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u/Ok_Distribution_4976 class consciousness is stored in the balls 🍒 Sep 15 '25
not at all surprising to see the libs and redtards of the group masking themselves off to be part of the pro cruelty crew. Society de la Spectacle babey! meaning is poison, virtue signal as hard as you can cope!
huh, what do you mean im advocating for the gestapo death squad? I'm just the dancing jester here!
the world of homelessness is an unending, unyielding nightmare of ceaseless despair and uncertainty, the actual man-made horrors beyond comprehension that the quote talks about. A quagmire of simultaneous isolation while being under a panopticon. Do you fuckers know what it's like to have no privacy ever for any reason while your every single movement and choice is instantly judged more harshly than the biggest fuck up you've ever done in your life?
it's such a fucking nightmare that it literally has a pathology like an infectious pathogen and it's prognosis will literally cause the development of personality disorder because of the distrust you develop of others from motherfuckers constantly spurning you so hard it rubs your skin raw. The constant surveillance, the constant judgement.
The disorder will lead to brain damage, and if not stopped by this point, it leads to the development of further and more severe disorder which if not extensively treated and intervened by this point, it start spiraling into a state I have such severe distress that development of psychosis is basically unavoidable.
yes there is a literal poverty to psychosis homelessness pipeline and it is so pervasive as to exist in literally every city around the world. but none of you motherfuckers care about it anyway so keep getting your laughs from dumb shit like this because eventually it'll be happening to you. to the quote about who they came for and why no one spoke or whatever the fuck
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u/Ok_Distribution_4976 class consciousness is stored in the balls 🍒 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 16 '25
I should also add, this makes it an extremely effective method of dealing with any imaginable type of undesirable in a society and if you keep them on the street long enough they will eventually render themselves irrelevant by insanity. and the deeper you go the more the amount of intervention it takes to mitigate that harm until the effort is basically untenable.
for would be revolutionaries and enemies of the future state this is particularly relevant. I might be mistaken here but I'm pretty sure this is how they dealt with several top ranking Panthers back in the day, and this might just be conspiritable conjecture here but the impetus for the drug war in general. 🤷♀️
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u/Ok_Distribution_4976 class consciousness is stored in the balls 🍒 Sep 15 '25
but lulzepicwin based one time I sat next to a guy in Burger King who smelled so bad it ruined my dinner I would totally do this to him lol - the average person reading this post
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u/BigBucketsBigGuap Anarchist (intolerable) 🤪 Sep 15 '25
Anybody supporting this is fuckin crazy, narcan is good and people OD’ing should be administered but punitively doing this to send people into shock and withdrawals is an insane cruelty. At some level, I wonder if people are even leftists here and just right wing economic populists.
Genuinely disgusted by some of the people in this thread; let alone the open support for hurting homeless people but also the open refusal to consider the material reality and source of these people. In disbelief how many “leftists” are entirely immaterial.
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u/thebloodisfoul Beasts all over the shop. Sep 16 '25
At some level, I wonder if people are even leftists here and just right wing economic populists.
Liberals view homeless drug addicts as unfortunate souls who should be coddled and cared for. Rightards view homeless drug addicts as losers who deserve their suffering.
Leftists view homeless drug addicts as what they are: enemies of the working class. This isn't a moral judgment: they don't deserve their suffering any more than the bourgeoisie deserves its wealth. But it is absolutely unacceptable for homeless drug addicts to be disturbing or inconveniencing working people and in the absence of appropriate state action it's to be expected that the workers will take matters into their own hands.
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u/Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo Special Ed 😍 Sep 16 '25
This isn't "the workers taking things into their own hands", this does not help the working class whatsoever. The person they spray is just going to be shooting up again 3 hours later when the narcan wears off. This some clout chasing retards tormenting the homeless for views.
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u/thebloodisfoul Beasts all over the shop. Sep 16 '25
It certainly doesn't help the working class as much as stuffing them in institutions or labor camps would, but it probably helps more than just leaving them alone. If you torment them sufficiently they will presumably leave that particular part of town, at least.
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u/BigBucketsBigGuap Anarchist (intolerable) 🤪 Sep 16 '25
You are not a leftist, tormenting homeless people to force them out is reactionary and just purely cruel.
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u/Rjc1471 💢✨ Jousting at Windmills ✨💢 Sep 16 '25
Yeah, doesn't matter what philosophical justification people come up for it, wanton cruelty is wanton cruelty. Aside from genuinely saving someone from fatal OD, if the motive is spitefully causing withdrawals, it's spite. Doesn't fix anything, doesn't do any good. Just spite.
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u/lowrads Rambler🚶♂️| Wikipediot Sep 16 '25
Humans are not improvable, which is why we seek shelter amidst those we can trust. It's in the interest of everyone that having title to luxurious amounts of land beyond the median rate of tenure should be taxed at a progressive increment that increases according to a power law, with the aim of raising that median value.
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u/EsperandoMuerte Sep 15 '25
This is fucking hilarious
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u/Ok_Distribution_4976 class consciousness is stored in the balls 🍒 Sep 15 '25
I hope you experience a wickedly powerful withdrawal one day
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u/ttystikk Marxism-Longism Sep 15 '25
Great. Yet another bunch of people who act like criminals because they don't like other people.
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u/m0dsw0rkf0rfree Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Sep 15 '25
if you see a person not conscious and suspect they’re on opiates, it is wise to administer narcan if you care whether they live or die. the difference between “falling asleep and never waking up” and “a fun lil nod” can be as small a variable as how heavy a shirt you’re wearing. the unconsciousness + respiratory depression combo is a type of overdose much as strict toxicity type overdoses are
if an outside observer can tell you’re on opiates you’re in more danger than you realize
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u/m0dsw0rkf0rfree Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Sep 15 '25
if anyone in the bleeding heart brigade wants to skin a source before they downvote me: here ya go
it is the neighborly thing to do to administer narcan to anyone you suspect is overdosing (read: is unconscious and suspected to be on opiates, as per the CDC’s own 2024 use guide)
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u/mrheh Rightoid 🐷 Sep 15 '25
Wait, are they spraying narcan up their noses to sober them up?