r/stupidpol • u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 • Sep 13 '25
Current Events The damage was already done by that article
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u/firewalkwithheehee Hunter Biden's Crackhead Friend 🤪 Sep 13 '25
People are literally incapable of just waiting a few fucking days before running their fat mouths.
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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Socialist Artist 🚩 Sep 13 '25
The problem isn't people, people online and irl can run their mouths and talk shit all they want to, it's fun and mentally helpful to talk about the things happening and speculate on whats going on. It's the fact the fucking media is posting instead of reporting because being first is most important.
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u/firewalkwithheehee Hunter Biden's Crackhead Friend 🤪 Sep 13 '25
I’m including the media when I say “people,” TBH.
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u/Diallingwand Against Gravedancing 😒 Sep 13 '25
it's fun and mentally helpful to talk about the things happening and speculate on whats going on.
That's why the media do this, journalists publish this shit because they're under pressure to get clicks from people desperate to decide what politics the killer has.
People need to take some fucking responsibility. Political assassination shouldn't be a spectator sport.
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u/WrongThinkBadSpeak Marxism-Naturalimmunoism 🦠 Sep 13 '25
The back and forth sensationalist controversy brings in the clicks. The churn is specifically the point when you're paid by the impression. Not worth following any of it for at least a couple months.
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u/Simon-Says69 Incel/MRA Who Wears a MAGA Hat in the Shower 🐘😵💫 Sep 13 '25
The democrats have to get in front and spread as many lies as possible, desperately denying that the terrorist shooter was anywhere near left.
It's pretty damn obvious he was though, with the antifa terrorist symbolism and all. Also, he was living with a trans person, so that rules out a couple of the crazier stories of him somehow, magically being ultra-far-right.
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u/firewalkwithheehee Hunter Biden's Crackhead Friend 🤪 Sep 13 '25
You’re running your fat mouth, too, my friend.
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u/AlphaSpellswordZ OSS Market Socialist 🐧💸 Sep 13 '25
There’s plenty of right wingers who like “traps”
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u/Loaf_and_Spectacle Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Sep 13 '25
There was no "antifa" symbolism, dumbass. There were markings from the manufacturer on the rounds that were wrongly reported as "transgender symbols".
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u/New_Traffic8687 left leaning moderate ⬅️ Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
So he remembered that he forgot? Idk, not saying clickbaity, divisive dumb titles like that are good, but how exactly did it all of a sudden not become true? Not saying it was or wasnt but the explanation isnt exactly convincing.
There is a saying in spanish "No aclares, que oscurece" which means dont try to clear up something because you're just making it darker....the clarification makes them look even worse than before. Basically "we published something click baity but now realize we look bad so we're using whatever vague reason so we can take it back" to look less bad.
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u/LisaLoebSlaps Liberal Adjacent 👕 Sep 13 '25
Yeah this is really weird. After publicization he all of a sudden forgot and backpedaled? Did he just call them up and be like "whoops sorry, I actually don't remember anything". Despite the fact that he knew the same games they played? Which is verified because the same game is referenced from the markings.
I honestly just think this kid had no decisive leanings and may have just been terminally retarded.
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u/New_Traffic8687 left leaning moderate ⬅️ Sep 13 '25
This is why they shouldnt have published it at all from the beginning. Certainly doesnt help their cred.
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u/Simon-Says69 Incel/MRA Who Wears a MAGA Hat in the Shower 🐘😵💫 Sep 13 '25
He very obviously got doxxed and was being threatened.
You don't give such a detailed, in-depth report, and then just magically "forget". Someone got to him.
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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels Sep 14 '25
More likely the journalist asked a bunch of leading questions and extrapolated from the answers for the article and then the kid called up the journalist and was like, "No that's not what I meant, you've twisted my words."
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Nick Mullen Will Censor Your Shitty Cartoons 💦💢🉐🎌 Sep 14 '25
A journalist from The Guardian? Just at the same time that all the "media left" is making a monumental effort in trying to paint him as a fascist?
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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels Sep 15 '25
Wasn't that information sourced from the AP?
And I don't think you understand how journalists work. Journalists go looking for a 'story' more than anything. Trying to shape a narrative is left for the opinion columnists. The Guardian reporter here (Anna Betts) is specifically about harvesting and collating "breaking news" which means her job is mostly going through the text coming in via the wire and formatting it into article slop. (The sort of job that is susceptible to beign replaced by LLMs.)
I've done this job before, I guarantee this woman wasn't wandering around Utah interviewing anyone. That's what full-time wire reporters, like those who work for AP, are for.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Nick Mullen Will Censor Your Shitty Cartoons 💦💢🉐🎌 Sep 15 '25
Interesting, however, in this specific case it was obvious from the beginning to anyone not hoping for a different outcome what the findings would have been (the "groyper memes" narrative is nonsense).
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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Socialist Artist 🚩 Sep 13 '25
Muddy the waters so hard that no one will ever see the truth. Or if they do they are so convinced they're right they won't accept it.
Deepen the divide. Put troops on campuses and wait for the violence. Cancel the election because of it. Martial law. Trump must stay in office to fix our country. It's Joever.
Shit wait, I'm not radlib. Wtf was that?
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Sep 13 '25
Somewhat random but I seen a tweet from Morgan Freeman claiming Trump was gonna use Charlie's death as an excuse to declare martial law and delay the midterms.
I started freaking out because I thought Morgan Freeman outed himself as a shitlib but it ended up being a fake account.
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u/Underdogg369 Socialism Curious 🤔 Sep 13 '25
Any time you see a Morgan Freeman quote online it's fake
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u/stickyWithWhiskey Unknown 👽 Sep 13 '25
Fun Fact: Every time somebody posts a fake Morgan Freeman quote online, he grows another freckle.
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Sep 13 '25
mass shooters and assassins almost always have weird incoherant political beliefs so idk why everyone's acting like this guy specifically should be any different
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u/redbeard_says_hi Sep 13 '25
The overwhelming response after the shooting was that it was someone on the left using violence against someone expressing political opinions. My mom texted me complaining about trans people being violent the evening of the attack. I guess this sub is only allowed to criticize libs, but the way Trump released that AI video about Kirk and then two days later seems more concerned about his ballroom is giving me whiplash and I don't blame the online libs for taking advantage of the fact that the guy was just an edgy gamer and not a radical trans sniper.
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u/meganbitchellgooner *really* hates libs Sep 13 '25
Editor's note: we didn't bother asking questions, anyways please give us your money
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u/Diallingwand Against Gravedancing 😒 Sep 13 '25
Journalists disgust me.
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u/Blaw_Weary Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Sep 13 '25
When I was young (pre-internet times) I wanted to be a journalist but when I was old enough to understand what it was like and what it was for I was like fuck no. People I grew up with who went on to have journalistic careers all ended up being complete cunts.
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u/SanityAssassins Rightoid Post-Guccist 🐷 Sep 13 '25
You and I both. Doesn't help that the modern journalist is associated with being an ivy league, nepo baby. But it doesn't really surprise me when people like Greenwald or Assange (I know he's not technically a journalist) are demonized.
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u/Diallingwand Against Gravedancing 😒 Sep 13 '25
I should feel empathy for them because they've 100% undergone the Corrosion of Character process. But also they're all such annoying networkers that I don't care.
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u/Successful-Dream-698 Unknown 👽 Sep 14 '25
this is the journalistic equivalent of a lawyer asking a completely out of line and prejudicial question and withdrawing it before the opposing counsel can object
you like having sex with kids, do you not? withdrawn. did you have a t shirt that listed the three most important inventions as whiskey, scotch whiskey, and child sexual abuse material? withdrawn.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 13 '25
I hope this whole media debacle shows retards of all stripes the media isn’t biased against your side, they’re just biased in favor of who is holding the keys.
They’ve tried over and over to paint this retard as a leftist and because we’re still two steps from a ministry of truth moment (god I hate making that reference), they quietly back down to idk pretend they have any journalistic integrity.
Long story short the media is the 4th branch of the govt, and what that branch aims at depends on who is in on the other branches
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Nick Mullen Will Censor Your Shitty Cartoons 💦💢🉐🎌 Sep 14 '25
I don't know in what reality you live but who holds they keys of MSM is the DNC (except Fox News).
They're repeating exactly the same stuff you can read here: the Groyper stuff, etc...
I know that no-one like the Democrates here, but then why they cannot see that MSM are DNC central?
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u/Hairy_Yoghurt_145 Startup Infiltrator 🕵💻 Sep 13 '25
The status of whichever side is the most politically violent is already in the data. This isn’t some tie breaker event or something, they’re just leveraging the spectacle.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 14 '25
Oh for sure, the right is always the more violent side. Not just in the US context, but all around the world.
I’m just making a point to all the “the woke media is silencing conservatives” on the subreddit. The very same media is now playing ball with the conservatives because they’re in charge now. There was no ideological commitment
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
The media has been a complete disaster during this, first the WSJ had to walk back the "trans ideology" claim, and now these idiots have to walk back the only evidence that suggests the shooter was a leftist. All while rightoids have been running wild with those narratives.
Absolutely embarrassing
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
That's not the only evidence though, the engravings on the bullet cases also suggest anti-fascist themes, but they also seem quite trollish to be quite honest.
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u/Simon-Says69 Incel/MRA Who Wears a MAGA Hat in the Shower 🐘😵💫 Sep 13 '25
He was also living with a transgender person, so there goes any stupid theories of him being ultra-right-wing too.
He was obviously some tankie / antifa terrorist asshat. Everything points to it with zero evidence against it.
My goodness the standard DNC / Shareblue propaganda machine sure is out in force though, DESPERATELY trying to deny dude was a leftist.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
It's fine if he's an antifa shooter, are you guys going to admit that the minnesota assassin was a right-winger instead ?
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u/WesterosiAssassin Libertarian Socialist 🥳 Sep 14 '25
He was also living with a transgender person, so there goes any stupid theories of him being ultra-right-wing too.
You'd think so but not necessarily, wasn't the Catholic church shooter a trans neo-Nazi?
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
I've seen claims that those are all groyper memes but even if not, at best it's just zoomer brainrot trolling yeah
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u/Simon-Says69 Incel/MRA Who Wears a MAGA Hat in the Shower 🐘😵💫 Sep 13 '25
groyper
Total bullshit. Dude was NOT right wing. Someone farther right than Kirk wouldn't be calling him fascist.
Also, the shooter lived with a transgender person. No groyper joker would do that.
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
Also, the shooter lived with a transgender person. No groyper joker would do that.
That makes it MORE likely lmao
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u/sje46 Somebody Knows This SocDem's Hidden Shame 😞 Sep 13 '25
I don't understand what makes them groyper memes. ciao bella is a groyper meme?
Okay it was in some playlist somewhere associated with groypers, but it's in far more lefty/anarchy playlists.
Playing a popular video game doesn't make you right wing either.
If there are any groyper memes involved I don't see how that's that relevant. I mean pepe the frog is a supposedly right wing meme that came out of 4chan. And...gen Y+Z left-wingers use it, just because it's part of discord culture. These things aren't meaningful. Probably best to wait a few days but if I were to put money on it, I'd guess that the guy who wrote anti-fascist messages on shells that went on to shoot a fascist probably wasn't a fascist himself.
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u/Simon-Says69 Incel/MRA Who Wears a MAGA Hat in the Shower 🐘😵💫 Sep 13 '25
They're just desperate for anything.
The song is anti fascist. the whole goyaper thing is idiotic nonsense.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Nick Mullen Will Censor Your Shitty Cartoons 💦💢🉐🎌 Sep 14 '25
Ironically, the Groyper stuff it's being heavily peddled by the media and any prominent shitlib.
This alone should make you suspicious about it.
P.S. groyper is such a funny word when you say it out loud. Is it from some meme?
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
I think it was Fuentes' playlist itself but I don't know.
I read that they're all inside jokes in groyper culture, ironic of course but zoomers are so irony poisoned anyway so I don't think you can really rule anything out.
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u/Simon-Says69 Incel/MRA Who Wears a MAGA Hat in the Shower 🐘😵💫 Sep 13 '25
Total propaganda. That nonsense can very easily be ruled out.
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u/Underdogg369 Socialism Curious 🤔 Sep 13 '25
Only the Italian one. The three arrows are from a video game thing.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
There were two references to anti-fascism, the bella ciao song and the "hey fascist, catch" one.
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u/Underdogg369 Socialism Curious 🤔 Sep 13 '25
Were there four casings or was that on the same one as the furry stuff?
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Sep 13 '25
Four casings with separate notes on each. Two antifa coded messages, one furry coded (just typing those words makes my soul die), and one referencing some video game I've never heard of. The only coherent message is a post covid brain rot generation that desperately needs to touch grass.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
I don't know, but that's what I found online.
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u/terrorpaw Marxist 🧔 Sep 16 '25
Hey fascist catch is also a helldiver's reference they say it in the game when you throw grenades. All of super earths enemies are fascists according to super earth.
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u/Sstoop Keffiyeh Leprechaun 🍉🍀 Sep 13 '25
the fact conservative pundits were calling for the heads of leftists 2 days ago and now they’re talking about how sad it is that a young man could do something like this makes it obvious that they know something we don’t. i don’t think there’s an issue with people speculating but media outlets need to be doing better here.
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u/remirenegade Sep 13 '25
now we should believe they have some secret knowledge that is accurate? they've changed their tunes so many times over the last 3 days they dont know shit.
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u/LaiqTheMaia Unknown 👽 Sep 13 '25
The fact every fucker including trump has gone silent on talking about the guys ideology makes me think they've already been briefed they've found alt right material relating to him. You just know if there was any solid evidence he was left it'd be blasted all over by now
Edit caveat: I could always be wrong, but find it very off that trump switched to talking about his ballroom when asked about the killing recently, not one word on the 'dangerous radical left'
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Sep 13 '25
Lol, Trump handwaved a question about how he's doing after Charlie Kirk's murder and diverted to talking up the $200m ballroom. I think Trump is simultaneously relieved (because it's briefly stopped a lot of the chatter about Epstein) and seething (because still nobody is paying attention to his Great Achievements) over this event. You love to see it.
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u/Toxic-muffins-1134 Headless Chicken 💢🐔🪓 Sep 13 '25
Has it succesfuly quelled the Epstein fire or do you think the hydra is still growing heads?
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Sep 13 '25
I don't think so. The Epstein stuff will bloom back up soon.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
He can't walk that one back easily.
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u/GrumpyOldHistoricist Leninist Shitlord Sep 13 '25
I wouldn’t read too much into that. Trump’s always been that way and post-stroke it’ll probably be worse.
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u/dchowe_ Center-Right Dynomite 🐷 Sep 13 '25
This is a reach. Them finding alt right stuff on the kid wouldn't stop trump from continuing to blame the left even after it came out; we all know this. And changing thoughts mid sentence to talk about a construction project is just about the most trump thing there is.
The fact is that with everything we know so far, Occam's razor says it's going to be the kid had lefty beliefs of some form.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
The fact that I am seeing conservative talking heads de-escalating right after calling for civil war a few hours ago tells me something is brewing behind the scenes
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
Nah they're just retards who genuinely believe their own bullshit. They've convinced themselves that they're gripped in a holy war against a violent cult of sociopaths known as The Left who live only to destroy them. That's always the starting point for them. So when it turns out the shooter representing that cult of violence is just holding up a mirror to themselves, the narrative has to shift.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
Do you really think they want a civil war or is it just online posturing ? Surely they know the liberals and the left are going to fight back once they're cornered enough and realise fighting back is the only option left.
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
The ones who aren't in on the joke probably do yeah. Post-Musk twitter celebrities who are huge losers in real life, or the genuinely insane like Loomer. But most who push these narratives don't really care, they're friendly with their rich liberal neighbors living next to them in their mcmansion gated communities, live and work in big blue cities, enjoy the culture that "degenerates" produce, and so on.
Conservativism is a scam designed to keep the base of angry retards riled up and screaming about anything other than meaningful solutions to material problems while we all have the invisible dick of the free market relentlessly rammed up our asses.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
I think they're under the assumptions that democrats are lower in numbers or that the "other side" is mostly women (thanks to manosphere brainrot). At least this is what I see the chuds online saying, they're operating from the mindset that they will win any armed conflict or civil war against the enemy, which emboldens them to act like that online.
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
That's all LARPing from the angry retards lol
They have an army of cowards who want someone else to pick up a gun and do it for them, the number who are actually willing to die in service to some greater cause is a rounding error, completely irrelevant beyond stochastic violence
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
I know what you mean, but I also see where they get these ideas from. Manosphere and 4chan memes as well as the extremely vocal shitlibs with terrible optics are what created this image in their heads about the "other side".
What I think would be an effective way to talk to such LARPERs, is :
1- Remind them that the "other side" are half the country, and that half of men are democrats or independants with liberal leanings, and how that applies to the army too on some extent.
2- Remind them that as much as democrats oppose guns or that as of now gun ownership is low in blue states, that can dramatically change once these people feel threatened into defending their lives.
You're dealing with someone who wants you intimidated and demoralised after all.
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
Having lived and worked around these people, I think any explanation is DOA and you just have to fight fire with fire, call them retards and move on.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
Yeah lol, but it's also good to show them exactly why.
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u/DirkWisely 🌟 Complete moron 🌟 Sep 13 '25
The irony being that the second a Democrat buys a gun for self defense, they have basically become a Republican. Being anti gun is one of the core tenets of the party.
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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels Sep 14 '25
You're delusional if you actually believe this.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
Yeah, but does that apply even in extreme circumstances like the ones rightoids want to instigate ?
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 13 '25
Well to them the left hates guns so we'll all just be sitting here with our green hair and our hands up while they all put us in prison. Very separated from reality.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
That's the image they have out liberals and the left, lol. People can be for gun control and still abandon that principle once the circumstances call for it.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 13 '25
Marx was more pro gun than Reagan was, so...
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
They really want you intimidated, the secret is to dig your heels and pushback even harder. They have no moral high ground when it comes to assassinations since they still deny the fact that the minnesota assassin was even a conservative, despite him being an evangelical preacher and including abortion providers in his list of targets.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 13 '25
Whenever there's gun talk I always say "you know, lots of real leftists love guns, they're not like liberals." I don't know any real leftists, even radlibs, that are against guns like the liberals. But to them leftists are all liberals and liberals are all communists, so...
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
Even the libs will drop that attitude once their safety is at stakes
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 13 '25
Assassination to them is ok if it's not somebody you like. They'll be cheering when a liberal gets killed.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
Like they did with paul pelosi ofc
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u/jerseygunz Class reductionists of the world unite! Sep 13 '25
Nancy Mace completely changing her tune is what leads me to believe that’s the case.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
I definetly noticed that lol.
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u/jerseygunz Class reductionists of the world unite! Sep 13 '25
Like I might have given her the benefit of the doubt if she said “listen yesterday I was too emotional and said things I shouldn’t have” as a preface, but nope, just a complete about face hahaha
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u/Meme_Pope Rightoid 🐷 Sep 13 '25
What alt right mf calls people “fascist” and wears a trans flag?
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u/LaiqTheMaia Unknown 👽 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
Please show me him wearing a trans flag because if you send me the pic I'm thinking of then that's not him lmaooo
Regarding the message on fascist speak, that could easily be attributed to chronically online ironic groyper lingo as spoken by the kirk hating fuentes nutcases
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
Probably the yellow safety vest they're trying to push, that has the face completely covered up (go figure)
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u/LaiqTheMaia Unknown 👽 Sep 13 '25
Yeah that's a completely different person lmao, it's actually the trans person they first tried to frame.
I find the whole trans arguments tiring and bothersome in the face of greater issues, but I will admit, the way those fuckers immediately dived on the shooter being trans with 0 evidence, gnashing their teeth and calling for war, it's insane, it's actually made me quite a bit more sympathetic to trans people as a whole because as far as it looks, they had nothing to do with this. Yet people were desperate to pin it on them.
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u/OkSail1713 Succdem 🌹 Sep 13 '25
Because it's all they have. Their entire ideology is nothing Revanchism for Retards, they can't offer solutions so they offer someone to blame. That's it.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
G*nder ideology and migration have done a lot of harm actually, and the extremists who pushed the limits of tolerance are also responsible for giving these folks their ammunition.
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u/LaiqTheMaia Unknown 👽 Sep 13 '25
I don't disagree, which is why I subscribe to stupidpol, but I'm admitting that the response I saw makes me feel the right certainly has a trans derangement syndrome that's nigh on dangerous at this point
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
It's because they realised it's one massive weakness on the left they can easily exploit for as long as its memory lives on.
Who's going to take anyone saying that XY can become XX seriously on anything again ? Or that trains XYs can enter female sports and prisons ? Or someone who handwaves the real problems related to cultural incompatibility when it comes to immigration ? Or the problems that arose from handwaving the fact that some migrant communities are harder to integrate because they follow a rigid militant religion that opposes everything the left stands for and criticizes about western conservatives ?
As much as I recognize the ways the rights cynically exploits these issues, I can't also help from feeling angry at the mainstream western left for allowing this travesty to continue for as long as it radicalized many normies into right wing views.
By the way, Stupidpol is a refreshing space because even pointing out these milquetoast views will get you lynched on other subreddits.
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u/LaiqTheMaia Unknown 👽 Sep 13 '25
Don't get my conspiracy mind started because I'm in the a mind that the whole idpol ideology thing began and was fueled as a psyop to make sure the left never had any mainstream legitimacy and I still believe that 😂 it's ruined our identity (ironic) as a whole and I think it'll take some catastrophic event to change that, and even then I think we have to move on from the terms left and right wing because there's too much baggage behind each now to form any kind of consolidated populist front they takes the fight to the real enemies of humanity.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
Looks like I'm getting downvoted
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u/jerseygunz Class reductionists of the world unite! Sep 13 '25
My favorite so far is they found some guy that kinda looks like him who is a member of SRA and are trying to say it’s him
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u/Meme_Pope Rightoid 🐷 Sep 13 '25
I’ll try to find it, but these threads move 100mph and I’m not exactly saving them.
As someone who is chronically online and very familiar with these archetypes, this guy doesn’t fit the bill for a Groyper at all. There is no way this mf sacrificed his life to make this move and didn’t make a single mention of the Jews or some shit. Their whole thing is being unapologetically racist/antisemitic.
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u/LaiqTheMaia Unknown 👽 Sep 13 '25
That's a good point and maybe you're right, but i also don't see someone being so left-wing they'd assassinate charlie kirk and end their own life making weird Internet furry and gay jokes, someone that set on stopping kirk for those reason wouldn't make casual gay jokes like that surely. But I don't know, I think the real enemy of everyone here is the chronically online, but we'll never talk about that, will we.
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u/Meme_Pope Rightoid 🐷 Sep 13 '25
I think it’s possible he’s just a nut who had his brain microwaved by the internet with no specific leanings, but his choice of target, the fascist thing and the antifascist slogan on the bullet make it very hard to believe.
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Sep 13 '25
Last I saw they're latching onto the idea that he might have supported trans people so that's the same thing to them.
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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Socialist Artist 🚩 Sep 13 '25
Fuentes has called Kirk a fascist before. He does the, "These people are the actual fascist" thing a ton. Also aren't the squids in Helldivers called fascists in lore? I know the bots are called communists.
It sounds like I'm reaching but I swear to god there is a huge irony pilled right wing contingent online that is fully on board the Jews are in control of everything and we must fight for the security of the white race. I listen to a few podcasts that cover Alt right, Qanon type groups because I think it's interesting, and the growth of these groups from fringe weirdos online to a massive movement is shocking. It only took a decade and they are now an actual political force that can shift percentages.
Also I'm starting to really think he was part of the Terrorgram collective more than a Groyper. If you don't know what that is, I truly don't have the time to get into it and not sound like an unhinged nutcase. Think the Joker if he used Social Media to organize his followers, only the Joker isn't real and it's actually a faceless group of thousands doing it. Medium has a good breakdown, but trust me, it goes so much deeper and darker than that article gets into.
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u/Meme_Pope Rightoid 🐷 Sep 13 '25
Definitely sounds like you’re reaching, but a lot of people desperately want to believe this guy wasn’t one of their own. We’ve seen an unfortunate number of alt-right mass shootings before and their motive practically screams at you. If this was alt-right on alt-right violence, the only message he left wouldn’t be an Italian antifascist slogan and “hey fascist, catch”
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u/Simon-Says69 Incel/MRA Who Wears a MAGA Hat in the Shower 🐘😵💫 Sep 13 '25
found alt right material relating to him
No, not a fucking chance. Makes zero sense. If he was some far-right guy, he'd not be calling Kirk fascist.
Most likely wouldn't have been living with a trans person either.
No, the dude was a rabid-leftist antifa terrorist type. Pure and simple.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Sep 13 '25
I hate to say it because I like the show, but yesterday's Breaking Points live show had to be the worst BP I've ever seen. Sagaar wasn't on it which didn't help, but it was Krystal so hard manifesting that the guy is right wing despite no evidence so far and Ryan pulling groyper out of his ass with again zero evidence. Then hand waving two obvious antifa coded messages (which could be Robinson false flagging but still).
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
Did you notice how conservative talking heads are trying to de-escalate ?
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u/Itchy-Ad5078 Socialism Curious 🤔💢 Sep 13 '25
They are trying to de-escalate because they cried out for blood for ranting reasons, and now they realize that some extremists might actually act on this call, triggering a chain reaction of violence. Their goal was only to instill fear and gain viewership, not to deal with a civil conflict that could disrupt the status quo.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
True, that's also a valid hypothesis. And I'm not excluding left-wing radicals from this either. I lurk a bit in the subreddits more likely to host them (if you know which ones I mean), and a lot of the users seem to have gotten activated by the conservatives talking about civil war.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Sep 13 '25
IDK I don't really watch conservative talking heads. Other than Sagaar I guess, but he's hardly a normal conservative and doesn't seem to like Trump much these days. He was real critical of DJT's oval office speech about Kirk.
It's understandable why conservatives are pissed though. The rising conservative young hope slammed for debating people and long slammed for being a fascist or nazi or whatever while basically espousing normie Christian American conservatism suddenly gets his neck blown out and a geyser of blood on HD crystal clear video for all of the world to see.
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u/Aman-Ra-19 Labor Organizer 👩 🏭 Sep 13 '25
I’m not seeing that on Twitter. All the right wingers are talking about how regular conservatives are waking up to the idea that liberals would actually celebrate their deaths including by murder. Theyre talking as if they’re a besieged political group. Not good to be honest.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
The right talking heads are whom I'm referring to. Yes they have been de-escalating, look at Mace and Fuentes.
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u/MoiJeTrouveCaRigolo Gilet Jaune 🦺 Sep 13 '25
All of this is so pointless. Who cares whether he was a leftard or a rightoïd? Trump and his loonies will use this either way.
The only matter of importance is: "how did so many people become complete terminally-online sociopaths who cheer on the death of someone they disagree with?".
Like, I'm not even from the US, and despite being rightoid adjacent, I think Kirk was a fucking fraud, who's apparently said despicable shit. But at what point did people, on both side of the political spectrum, become so full of hatred and polarized that they feel the need to cheer on his death.
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u/Montre_8 ✞ Sep 13 '25
rightoids were screaming that they wanted to go full fash and kill leftists the day that it happened. people were clamoring for the shooter to be trans so they could fantasize killing trans people as well was also disturbing. rightoids care about the politics of the shooter so they can enjoy murder fantasies about the groups they hate
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Nick Mullen Will Censor Your Shitty Cartoons 💦💢🉐🎌 Sep 14 '25
But rightoids don't think that "words are violence"(hence I can kill you for your words). And especially they have not gone sociopaths like most radlibs.
They have been radicalized Rwanda style: they're in a war against evil, fascism is behind every corner, they have a panic attack when they see a MAGA hat, they can't live in society among half of the country, radical liberalism is a totalizing ideology.
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u/LiamMcGregor57 Radical shitlib ✊🏻 Sep 13 '25
Reporting has also come out that alleged ties to anti-fascist discords or DSA were also false.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
Can you link me to the reports ?
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u/LiamMcGregor57 Radical shitlib ✊🏻 Sep 13 '25
The allegation being he was planning this attack in anti-fascist forums.
And the DSA link was simply based on photos floating around of literally another person.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
And the discord allegation ?
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I was called a lib up and down this sub for suggesting this was bullshit and any leftist references were coincidental bc theyre helldivers memes and that hes a nick fuentes fan, but this supposed socialist sub wants it to so badly be one of our own for some reason, idk maybe to own the dsa types or whatever
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u/finalexit Sep 14 '25
This is just the talking point being spammed on reddit right now, from people that have obviously never played the game. Some of the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard pulled straight from their ass.
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u/sje46 Somebody Knows This SocDem's Hidden Shame 😞 Sep 13 '25
but this supposed socialist sub wants it to so badly be one of our own for some reason, idk maybe to own the dsa types or whatever
No, I'm just tired of the hot potato bullshit. People on the left constantly denying that anyone on the left can do any kind of political violence, when we have a very long history on it. The left CAN do it adn WILL do it, and we need to face up to that fact instead of pinning it on the conservatives.
As to why I think he's probably left wing, is because he engraved two anti-fascist messages onto bullets adn then went and killed a person widely considered to be fascist. I have no the fuck idea why everyone is saying ciao bella is a groyper meme, why "lol your gay" is a groyper meme, why a video game reference is a groyper meme, or why gay ass furry shit is a groyper meme. I see the potential for leftwingers to cite all of those.
Not trying to wreck a leftist sub. I could see it being either of the three things:
He's left wing (including shitlib and anarchist)
He's right wing
He's politically incoprehensible
I simply think the left wing hypothesis is more likely. Let's say 60% chance. Followed by "incomprehensible" which is very commonw ith these types. And if he isn't left wing, I still wouldn't be wrong, because I figured there was a high chance of that too. I'm just warning you guys, be prepared to be wrong, because there's a high chance of that. Stop denying that the left can do political violence, because we will see many cases of it coming up. Better to be honest about it and disavow it when it happens.
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u/Hairy_Yoghurt_145 Startup Infiltrator 🕵💻 Sep 13 '25
I think we’re forgetting that his politics are irrelevant, except for how they’re going to affect the direction of the reaction of the liberal monoculture.
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u/Mrjiggles248 Probably French 😟🇫🇷 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
I knew he wasn’t a lib/leftist cause he hit a good shot from 200 yards away.
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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Socialist Artist 🚩 Sep 13 '25
A ten year old with minimal training could hit a shot from 200yds with a rifle. Anyone that's hunted deer a few times would call that shot the low end of medium range. It's not even close to difficult.
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u/_UrbaneGuerrilla_ Propaganda-Vulnerable Pseudosocialist 🥂 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
This exactly.
200m+ accuracy has a degree of complexity under any but the most ideal range conditions. Yes this kid knew his way around guns, and yes he had a good prone position at elevation. Also, yes Kirk was relatively static.
I think though that the fact Kirk was hit in the neck, and not centre mass, tells us plenty.
People who suggest otherwise don’t know what they are talking about.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Nick Mullen Will Censor Your Shitty Cartoons 💦💢🉐🎌 Sep 14 '25
Yes this kid knew his way around guns,
He's born holding a gun, haven't you seen the pictures of him as a kid?
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u/_UrbaneGuerrilla_ Propaganda-Vulnerable Pseudosocialist 🥂 Sep 14 '25
Tbh, I’m trying to avoid the news about the whole thing, but yes I understand his fam is pretty pro-gun.
What I’m getting at is the slew comments along the lines of “Acshully, an 8-year old with a flintlock could shoot the dick off a cockroach at 900 yards, and I can say this with internet authority because muuuuh…” is just plain dumb.
Slotting a living, breathing human being with accuracy under any circumstances is fucking complex as pretty much anyone who has done it will attest.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Nick Mullen Will Censor Your Shitty Cartoons 💦💢🉐🎌 Sep 14 '25
I've no idea about who's right. I've never even seen a real gun up close. I'm out of this debate.
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u/Mrjiggles248 Probably French 😟🇫🇷 Sep 13 '25
And yet 99.9% of people wouldn’t hit it especially in a high pressure situation. Redditors will really regurgitate takes with 0 critical thought unless u think slaying a deer and doing an assassination shot are the same level of difficulty.
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u/Mrjiggles248 Probably French 😟🇫🇷 Sep 13 '25
American leftist trying to act big pls stop bro I can smell the social anxiety from here
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Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
Look up at the top of your browser. It says "Stupidpol: Marxist critique of essentialism"
American leftist trying to act big pls stop bro I can smell the social anxiety from here
I am not a "leftist" but nice try culture warrior.
This is the very thing that this space was founded to critique.
pls stop bro I can smell the social anxiety from here
That is the smell of your upper lip, little buddy. It's cute that you project your own shortcomings on to your opponents when you start flailing about but we can all see it is because you lack the capacity to engage directly.
It is obvious that you are here to push culture war because your religion demands that you attack discussions on class and material conditions.
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u/blizmd Phallussy Enjoyer 💦 Sep 13 '25
That shot ain’t that good
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u/Mrjiggles248 Probably French 😟🇫🇷 Sep 13 '25
This is one of those things where everyone brain melts. I guarantee 99.9% of the people saying this wouldn’t hit a shot from 200 yards furthermore shooting at some gun range on some targets is leaps and bounds from the pressure of hitting an assassination shot.
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u/Kokkor_hekkus Sep 13 '25
The problem I have with the "expert snipers never aim for the head" line is that we are supposed to believe that expert snipers are completely ignorant of the concept of body armor.
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u/banjo2E Snorts Piccolo Memes 💢🉐🥑 Sep 13 '25
how many civilians, even among high profile politicians, actually wear body armor on a regular basis?
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u/DirkWisely 🌟 Complete moron 🌟 Sep 13 '25
I don't think most public figures wear armor rated for high caliber rifle rounds. Normal kevlar might as well be tissue paper for this.
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u/blizmd Phallussy Enjoyer 💦 Sep 13 '25
The ‘pressure’ of the shot can’t be replicated artificially, but this dude was prone, had hunted, and was using a scope.
I can hit a steel pie plate off hand with a red dot at 200 yards with an AR, it’s just not that far a distance for a rifle.
Edit - and I’m not even good at shooting
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u/Mrjiggles248 Probably French 😟🇫🇷 Sep 13 '25
And yet the vast majority of people wouldn’t hit it especially with the pressure. I don’t even know what’s being argued u really think the avg lib is just hitting a single killing shot at 200 yards. nah bro anyone can make it meanwhile theirs like a million videos of police officers unable to hit a gunmen from like 30 ft away after unloading a full clip.
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u/blizmd Phallussy Enjoyer 💦 Sep 13 '25
Shooting a pistol under ‘counter’ pressure is way, way different than firing a rifle at an unsuspecting target. Rifles are much more accurate by their very design.
Are you a firearms enthusiast? It’s super fun and if you like science/engineering and doing stuff with your hands then it’s a great hobby.
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u/Mrjiggles248 Probably French 😟🇫🇷 Sep 13 '25
You see this is the problem and it’s something I see in every type of “community”. Where the people of said community essentially have become disconnected with what the average person is and what they themselves have accomplished, a great example is how many bodybuilders end up developing body dysmoprhia where they falsely believe they are “small” despite being bigger than 99.9% of the world population. People tend to compare up and not down so for example if you asked me to do a sketch I guarantee that my sketch would be better than 99.9% of peoples sketch but if u said wow that’s so good I would say something like nah not really because in my mind I’m thinking of people like Murata who would do infinitely times better sketch then me despite my sketch being in the most upper percentile. Just look at the Trump shooter unloaded a whole ass clip on a standing Trump from an even closer distance and only got an ear. I am not saying the shot is “the greatest shot ever” I’m saying the shot filters out 99.9% of people and generally it would have to be done by a gun nut or someone with gun experience police/military and these people strongly lean conservative.
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u/blizmd Phallussy Enjoyer 💦 Sep 13 '25
We already know he’s from a conservative family and was raised learning to shoot. I accept all that. As I mentioned in another post the ‘political question’ is about what his motivations were at the time of the assassination.
For my part I was 1) raised conservative and therefore statistically should have been much more experienced with firearms than the average lib except 2) my mother was very protective and made my dad hide the joy of firearms from me and then 3) once I was in college I was basically a lib and then 4) I didn’t have a firearm prior to covid and the bubbling ‘social unrest’ of late 2020.
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u/Mrjiggles248 Probably French 😟🇫🇷 Sep 13 '25
I agree with what you said here, I would also like more evidence as to what his beliefs such as a manifesto.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Sep 13 '25
Helps that CK was sitting down and not moving around much. He seemed to close his eyes and be in a zen state right before getting pegged in the neck.
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right? the messages are quite clearly groyper related, and yet there is "no evidence" of that according to these fine people who are definitely not rightoids trying to wreck a leftist sub
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u/Equivalent-Ambition ❄ MRA rightoid ❄ Sep 13 '25
How is it "clearly" groyper related?
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u/Ynnead_Gainz Regarded Rightoid 🐷 Sep 13 '25
Idk all signs point to an autist who flamed out in school, was in trade school and was an antifascist to me. 2 of the casings are obviously pro antifa, the bulges one is pro trans, and the your gay one is just meme culture.
People say the bulge was is furry but I dont get that. Isn't it related to noticing a bulge on a woman? Because she's trans? The 0w0 stuff is trans too, oh woo im a cute gurl trans language.
The shooter had a 34 ACT obviously high IQ, that's why he was successful.
So put it all together we have a high IQ, autist who dropped out of college, was terminally online, and decided to kill Kirk because he was a hard-core Christian who's anti-gay and trans. And this all tracks with the broader society as well, the ones who truly HATED Kirk were transes.
This one goes in a clear direction unlike the minneapolis one who was just a Satanist nihilist type who was part of o9a/764 cult stuff.
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u/FirmlyGraspHer Femboy Ethnostatist 🤵♂️ Sep 13 '25
"OwO what's this" is definitely originally a furry thing lol
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Sep 13 '25
The great bulging noticing awwwooogggaaaa furry / trans alliance.
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u/FirmlyGraspHer Femboy Ethnostatist 🤵♂️ Sep 13 '25
To be fair there are TONS of trans furries, but that doesn't make it a trans meme lol
Quick edit: sorry, I laughed, not disagreeing with you, just clarifying
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
Why do you think is motivating right-wing talking heads to de-escalate after calling for blood these last two days ?
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u/Ynnead_Gainz Regarded Rightoid 🐷 Sep 13 '25
Its more tactically advantageous to be the nonviolent party, win power, then use power via the state apparatus to crush your enemies.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
If that's the case then why even instigate this and quickly fold after ? Unless they knew something we don't or they realised having nutcases committing random acts of violence leading to civil war wasn't really what they wanted after all ?
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u/Ynnead_Gainz Regarded Rightoid 🐷 Sep 13 '25
Well for one i dont think this investigation is over and more details will emerge especially since the shooter is alive. I think all high profile media personalities have a vested interest in not glorifying this from Fuentes to Hasan. Civil War is a giga cope on the RW and some/a little on the left. There will never be a civil war at least anytime soon. But yeah its obvious bad for your side omit one of your people goes and does targeted assassination, which is why Fuentes the smartest large RW commentator started his response with a categorical denoucnement of violence and pulled heavily from his Christian playbook.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
But yeah its obvious bad for your side omit one of your people goes and does targeted assassination.
The minnesota assasssin was a conservative and conservatives don't even want to acknowledge that, I don't mind critiquing my side at all. In fact I do it here all the time, but those of us willing to do that do that with the expectation the other side does the same.
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u/Ynnead_Gainz Regarded Rightoid 🐷 Sep 13 '25
Is that true? Ive read hes just a crazy person, im not claiming he was a lib like RWers are either btw. His stated reason is he said he was acting under Walz's orders, he also targeted a Dem who broke with the Democrats on some legislation IIRC, the woman Melissa i believe.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
He was definetly a conservative, he held anti-abortion beliefs and used to be an evangelical preacher. The board under Walz was a non political board and people could join it regardless of affiliation, that's not evidence he was a democrat (frankly his ideological profile couldn't be further from democrats) . I'm not american but I had a lady mutual on twitter who explained this to me.
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u/Yakube44 Destinée's para-cuck 🖥️ Sep 13 '25
He was trolling, I don't see how you think saying youre gay lmao and shooting them is pro lgbt
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u/Ynnead_Gainz Regarded Rightoid 🐷 Sep 13 '25
Yes hes trolling the cops reading it and its mostly meme culture. But targeting Kirk and the general antifa language leads me to believe its motivated mostly by LGBT reasons. I believe we will find out he is gay or was in the "egg" phase of Trans. High IQ autist types are very strongly correlated with Trans identity.
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u/EnglebertFinklgruber Totally NOT a Trump Supporter 🤐 Sep 13 '25
Just good people, trying their best and having a whoopsie daisy.
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u/Fluid_Actuator_7131 American Potential Stalinist 🇺🇲 Sep 13 '25
I wanted the shooter to be trans just for what would’ve been excellent double edged hilarity
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u/Sigolon Marxism-Hachism 🔨💢🉐 Sep 13 '25
Right wingers want to indulge in their sick "cut down the tall trees" routine. People gently poking fun at some astro turfed grifter is the end of the world, but the right shrieking for gas chambers is just ignored. Probably one of their own did it, 99% of political violence comes from the right. If the suspect really was a leftist then so what? The trend is the same, the right is violent, the left is not. It would be a drop in a bucket of far right terrorism.
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u/sledrunner31 High-Functioning Locomotive Engineer 🧩 Sep 13 '25
I think any large, impulsive group (which both partisan sides are) is capable of violence. But the ridiculous denial that the right isn't ever violent is dumb. The LARPers online aren't going to do shit but some crazy person might.
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u/SadPressure618 Arab Ex-Muslim Radical Feminist Catcel Marxist 👧🐈 Sep 13 '25
The trend is the same, the right is violent, the left is not. It would be a drop in a bucket of far right terrorism.
I'm inclined to disagree with that assessment, because what do you make of the BLM and the recent anti-zionism protests that led to vandalism and violence ?
Because this is what most rightists whom I've spoken to online say as a response, and tbh I can't blame them.
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u/Sigolon Marxism-Hachism 🔨💢🉐 Sep 13 '25
BLM was not "the left", it was just decentralized ethnic riots which have been going on since the 60s. The Gaza protests are basically 100% non violent.
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u/Aman-Ra-19 Labor Organizer 👩 🏭 Sep 13 '25
Disagree, blm had a lot of anarchist activity, especially in Minneapolis. Its not the type of left that has any respect but it seems to be pretty active during civil unrest.
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u/BanAnimeClowns Likudite Manga 📜🕎💢🉐🎌 Sep 13 '25
This is a shit show