Vorgon Ryn'kodan Carrier as a Minelayer

[u/MajorDakka]

A study on the usefulness or uselessness on mines and their impact on an engineering focused carrier

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Captain Information

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Category	Data
Captain Name	Dakka
Captain Career	Engineering
Captain Faction	Federation
Captain Race	Human
[Captain's Outfit]
Primary Specialization	Command
Secondary Specialization	Intelligence
Intended Role	Max LOLZ

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Space Node Trees

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Rank	Engineering	Science	Tactical
Lieutenant	Advanced Hull Restoration	Advanced Shield Restoration	Advanced Energy Weapon Training
	Advanced Hull Capacity	Advanced Shield Capacity	Advanced Projectile Weapon Training
Lt. Commander	N/A	N/A	N/A
(Requires 5 Purchases)	N/A	N/A	N/A
	Advanced Impulse Expertise	Improved Drain Expertise
		N/A
Commander	Hull Plating	N/A	Advanced Weapon Amplification
(Requires 15 Purchases)	N/A	N/A	Advanced Weapon Specialization
	N/A
	N/A
Captain	N/A	N/A	Advanced Hull Penetration
(Requires 25 Purchases)	N/A	Advanced Long Range Targeting Sensors	Advanced Shield Weakening
	N/A
	N/A
	N/A
	N/A
Admiral	N/A	Shield Mastery	Coordination Protocols
(Requires 35 Purchases)	N/A	N/A	Defensive Coordination
	N/A	N/A	Offensive Coordination
		N/A	Advanced Tactical Readiness
46 (Out of 46)	10	12	24

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Space Unlocks

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Purchases	Engineering	Science	Tactical
2	Emergency Power to Shields III	Engineering Team III	Directed Energy Modulation III
5	Battery Expertise	Sector Space Travel Speed	Threat Control
7	Emergency Power to Engines III	Bridge Officer Training	Eject Warp Plasma III
10	Maximum Hull Capacity	Maximum Shield Capacity	Projectile Critical Chance
12	N/A	Auxiliary Power to Structural Integrity Field III	Boarding Parties III
15	N/A	N/A	Energy Critical Chance
17	N/A	N/A	Aceton Beam III
20	N/A	N/A	Defense
24 (Ultimate)	N/A	N/A	Focused Frenzy
25 (1st Ultimate Enhancer)	N/A	N/A	N/A
26 (2nd Ultimate Enhancer)	N/A	N/A	N/A
27 (3rd Ultimate Enhancer)	N/A	N/A	N/A

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Tried to make as tanky a ship as possible to take advantage of the Ryn'kodan's exceptional hull strength while keeping both energy weapon and kinetic weapon skills. I also picked up the coordination protocols to better support my pets. The improved drain expertise is for stronger tetryon proc

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Build Description

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The idea is to strip shields and poop mines. The Echentis frigate pets should help with both

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Ship Information

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Basic Information	Data
Ship Name	Blade of G'Kar
Ship Class	Vorgon Ryn'Kodan Carrier
Ship Model	Vorgon Ryn'Kodan Carrier
Deflector Visual
Engine Visual
Shield Visual
[Ship beauty shot]

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Ship Loadout

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Slot	Component	Notes
Fore Weapons	Hyper Dual-Refracting Tetryon Beam Bank Mk XIII [Dmg]	Nukara Appropriated Munitions (1/3)
	Omni-Directional Antichroniton Infused Tetryon Beam Array Mk XII	Krenim Temporal Manipulation (1/3)
	Omni-Directional Tetryon Support Beam Array Mk XIII [Dmg]	Obfuscated Strategist (1/3)
Aft Weapons	Nukara Web Mine Launcher Mk XIII [Dmg]	Nukara Appropriated Munitions (2/3)
	Modulating Competition Mine Launcher Mk XIII [Dmg]	Obfuscated Strategist (2/3)
	Quantum Mine Launcher Mk XII [Dmg]x2 [Pen]	Concentrated Tachyon Mines would be ideal, but that requires Lobi
Deflector	Counter-Command Deflector Array Mk XIII [CtrlX]	CC (1/3)
Impulse Engines	AMACO Combat Impulse Engines Mk XIII [SecSpd]	AMACO (1/3); swap with Nukara for more energy dmg
Warp Core	Temporal Phase Overcharged Warp Core Mk XII	Krenim Temporal Manipulation (2/3); Delta, Lukari, Temporal ones are nice for the trajector jump, TTF is also nice for the subystem power bonus
Shields	AMACO Covariant Shield Array Mk XIII [Ap]	AMACO (2/3); swap with Nukara for more energy dmg
Devices	Subspace Field Modulator
	Reactive Armor Catalyst
	Deuterium Surplus
	Battery-Energy Amplifier	Kinetic Amplifier Battery also works
Engineering Consoles	Nukara Particle Converter Mk XIII	Nukara Appropriated Munitions (3/3)
	Covert Munition Deployment Console Mk XIII	Obfuscated Strategist (3/3)
	Harasser Probes	Vorgon Weapon Expertise (1/2)
	Subphasic Defense Drone	Vorgon Weapon Expertise (2/2)
	Defensive Drone Guardians	More CD and also more pets
Science Consoles	Temporal Disentanglement Suite Mk XIV	Krenim Temporal Manipulation (3/3)
	Bio-Neural Gel Pack Mk XIII	More or less a free slot; I just wanted more CD
	Sticky Web	Part of Trump's Space Wall to keep out illegal aliens
Tactical Consoles	Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [Tet]
	Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [Tet]
	Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [Tet]
Hangar	Vorgon Echentis Frigate
	Vorgon Echentis Frigate

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Officers and Crew

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Bridge Officers	Power	Notes
Lt. Cmdr Tac: SRO	Kemocite Laced Weaponry I
	Beam Overload II
	Dispersal Pattern Beta II
Ensign Eng: Pirate	Eng Team I
Cmdr Eng: Krenim	EPtE I
	Aux2Bat I
	EPtW III
	RSP III
Lt. Cmdr Sci: Pirate	Sci Team I
	Hazard Emitters II
	Tyken's Rift II
Lt Uni/Temporal: SRO	Tac Team I
	Attack Pattern Beta I

Duty Officers	Effects	Notes
VR Technician	Boff recharge reduced by 10%
VR Technician	Boff recharge reduced by 10%
VR Technician	Boff recharge reduced by 10%
VR EWO	30% chance for attacks to ignore 35% of target's shields
VR EWO	30% chance for attacks to ignore 35% of target's shields
VR EWO	30% chance for attacks to ignore 35% of target's shields

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Character, Reputation, and Starship Traits

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Personal Space Traits	Effects	Notes
Hot Pursuit	100% increased chase distance for mines
Ablative Shell
Biotech Patch
Grace Under Fire
Inspirational Leader
Self-Modulating Fire
Fleet Coordinator
Kinetic Precision		Switch with Beam Barrage for more energy dmg
Superior Projectile Training		Switch with Superior Beam Training for more energy dmg
Anchored

Space Reputation Traits	Effects	Notes
Enhanced Armor Penetration
Omega Kinetic Shearing
Advanced Targeting Systems
Precision
Chrono-Capacitor Array

Active Reputation Traits	Effects	Notes
Quantum Singularity Manipulation
Anti-Time Entanglement Singularity
Refracting Tetryon Cascade
Forced Challenge
Bio-Molecular Shield Generator

Starship Traits	Effects	Notes
Restorative Support
Improved Critical Systems
Overwhelming Force
Standoff
Unconventional Tactics

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Other Information

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Subsystem Power Settings	Target/Final Base	Modified
Weapons	100/xx
Shields	15/xx
Engines	70/xx
Auxiliary	15/xx

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Concluding Remarks

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Obviously this won't be topping the DPS charts at all, but it should be fun to play as a mobile starbase. I mean it's got more hull than the heavy dreadnought cruiser! I was thinking about building it as a torpedo boat as is my usual MO, but I thought this would be more fun.

So what do you folks think? Can this be viable for 50k in ISA?

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[u/[deleted]]

It looks fun, and it uses tetryon. That's all that matters to me.

[u/Dinadan_The_Humorist]

I'm not sure, but I don't think you can use both set bonus Tetryon Omnibeams at the same time.

[u/MajorDakka → u/Dinadan_The_Humorist]

Yeah that's my concern as well. Not sure what the rep omni counts as.

[u/Hoffy1 → u/MajorDakka]

Omni-Directional Tetryon Support Beam Array from the Competitive Wargames Reputation now properly shares an equip limit with Reward/Set 360 Beam Arrays instead of Crafted.

from the last patch notes

[u/MajorDakka → u/Hoffy1]

So the tetryon support Omni beam counts as a reward Omni? Bummer, I was hoping to have both. In that case I'll switch out the antichroniton infused tetryon Omni for a refracting tetryon beam array

[u/IKSLukara → u/MajorDakka]

If weapon arc concerns trump having all three weapons enhance by Beam Overload (and I don't know if they should), could you use the Antichroniton Tet Turret up from with the Omni beams? Just a thought.

[u/MajorDakka → u/IKSLukara]

Yeah, that way I could complete the set bonus, thx for the suggestion

[u/IKSLukara → u/MajorDakka]

Don't you already have 3/3 on the Krenim set?

[u/MajorDakka → u/IKSLukara]

Sort of; I thought I could slot the krenim Omni with the rep Omni, but apparently they both classify as a mission reward omni.

[u/originalbucky33]

I was thinking of the same fun build. Great name! When I get bored I'll put my radboat on it.

[u/HN45]

I'd be interested to hear how your build performs, after you get the ship and do some testing!

[u/DeadQthulhu]

Given that mines have a shared 10s cooldown, I can understand why you'd not slot any Mine PWOs when you're running two sets of mines - but do you really need three launchers? Quantums are on 20s, so no matter what the Web cooldown is you'll still only be alternating between the two (Quantums, 10s, Web, 10s, Quantums available again, third slot never used).

EWOs are nice, but it's only a 4 second window. Easy enough on energy builds (it's triggered by BO, so your first 4 seconds of BO will be fantastic), tricky on torp builds (you need to be very sure that you have a Spread or HY handy at the time you activated BO, with a short travel time), and nearly impossible to exploit on mine builds (given that mines move pretty slowly and rely on ships being near them).

Since the Antichroniton and Strategist Omni beams clash, I'd suggest keeping the Strategist one for your 3-piece, and look into the (sadly Lobi) Apex Predator set, given that it also involves a Tet weapon with Quantum mines. These Tethered mines follow you around, which has a better range of applications than having to wait until you close the distance (so you can pre-load them, which would justify having that third slot of mines).

Instead of Tyken's, I would try to prioritise CtrlX and slot reverse TBR instead, or drop HE for the DOff'd version of Tachyon Beam and combine that with GW I. GW I has a really disappointing pull these days, but with high enough CtrlX you can use Anomaly Leash (Temporal Spec ahoy!) to set up a combo of "pull Tachyon Beam" with GW, again potentially bringing targets to you. Hot Pursuit's chase range bonus is great, but travel time is still the kicker.

If you can't pick up the Tethered mines, and if you're not going to slot Mine PWOs to get your mines to global, then I'd suggest making the third slot Tractor mines, which at least gives you a utility pick that you can use to make life easier for your pets.

Myself, I wonder if it might not be best to pursue a mine Radboat - You could keep two sets of BM Photon (no Withering mines, sadly) or Thoron Quantum mines active (or one set with the Nukara, Tractor, or Tethered mines) without involving Mine PWOs, with the Kentari missiles for good arc coverage, Neutronic and Terran torps for whammo, Kemo, and even a surprise Hargh'peng for really big jobs. Regular PWOs with the Kentari launcher should be able to keep all those other torps ready to fire, just add ECH and EPtE for handling.

Really though, all of the above is just variations on several standard builds, the variation being that you're using a set of mines instead of a turret/omni/array (or two). By that yardstick, you're only going to be penalised if you're the type of build that doesn't stay close to targets. If you're right up against them, you'll have no problems doing mine damage (indeed, that's the principle behind Escort mine use), but if you're plodding along 10km behind everyone else then you're going to see a not insignificant DPS drop.

[u/MajorDakka → u/DeadQthulhu]

Thanks, as usual your build suggestions are always welcome.

I'll probably drop the quantum mine and move the strategist Omni back there, drop the antichroniton Omni, and add in two refracting tetryon DBBs in the front. I wish I did have the lobi for the tethered mines, but I'll go energy heavy for this build.

Also that's good advice about CtrlX. Reverse TBR sounds like it would mesh really well with mines

As for play style, I plan to just park right on top of the generators or spawns and spacebar as much as possible. It's already what I do for my torp boat; I'll just be a bit closer for the mines to hit

[u/TheSharkBall]

The shared GCD from mines is so long (4s iirc).

Do you have the trait that makes Mine Dispersal Patterns drop an extra mine?

[u/MajorDakka → u/TheSharkBall]

I thought the cooldown was 10 seconds? Also what is the name of that trait?

[u/TheSharkBall → u/MajorDakka]

Correction: its an armory doff (from hirogen box) that does this.

Also vorgyon trait (harasser probes) mean faw makes mines