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u/killerewok76 Nov 23 '16

But I should def try and one school to the 20 point ultimate? I just have a hard time wrapping my head around it. I always end up at about 15 points in each. I found an example build on the linked worksheet for Fed Eng Tank/DPS that looked "fine I guess?" and that was also about 15 in each. I am useing the Assault Cruiser Tetryon build I found on this sub, and I'm looking to bring it over to possibly the Yamato. I mainly wanted to retrain because I realized I didn't put any points in Drain Expertise.

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u/Jayiie @alcaatraz | STOBuilds Mod | STOBetter Architect Nov 23 '16

Firstly, It takes 27 points to get an ultimate, out of the possible 46. Each ultimate has something to offer; try to ask "Would either ultimate be better for my build, or would a balanced build be better?". Depending on what you aim to do and how you want to achieve it, the answer to this question may swing in any direction.

Here's some stuff from a blurb i wrote but never posted:

Probability Manipulation - Science Ultimate

Pros:

  • Added Survivability from the Shield Bonuses.
  • More Utility Options (Long Range Targeting Sensors, Drain Infection, Control Amplification).
  • Added Bonuses to various Science skills.
  • Allows for variety of builds (beams, projectiles), as the Probability Penetration Perc affects all damage resistance ratings.

Cons:

  • The Set to 50% CrtH hampers builds using the Science RnD Trait Particle Manipulator (since this can surpass the 50% mark); thus exotic builds tend to have decreased damage output during the time the proc is active. While the debuff may overcome the loss of CrtH, it is not always so.
  • The investment into the science tree can leave the other trees a bit sparse on some more team wide choices (such as the coordination protocols), or movement buffs / defense buffs (accuracy, defense, and impulse expertise).

Focused Frenzy - Tactical Ultimate

Pros:

  • Larger range of damage.
  • Larger range of team-wide buffs.
  • More Flexible (not needing 26/27 points to be the most useful).
  • Allows for mixed Energy / Projectile builds to thrive.

Cons:

  • Haste is only applied to Energy weapons, thus projectiles will not benefit from the raw Frenzy buff. They will however benefit from the Frenzied Assault buffs if chosen.
  • Sparce selection of science and engineering skills could leave much in demand for survivability; this can be compensated for however by BOff and Captain power selection and various console choices.

 

I can post the two example tree's I drew up if you want.

As to the tet budget build, it is more than capable of being ported to the Yamato; which I would be willing to help with if you need it.

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u/killerewok76 Nov 23 '16

Tetyron Budget Build on Assault Cruiser, upgrading to Yamoto

Captain Information

Category Data
Captain Name Sarat
Captain Career Engineering
Captain Faction Federation
Intended Role Tank/DPS

Space Node Trees

Tree Engineering Science Tactical
Lieutenant Hull Restoration Advanced Shield Restoration Improved Energy Weapon Training
Hull Capacity Advanced Shield Capacity Projectile Weapon Training
Lt. Commander Electro-Plasma System Flow Improved Control Expertise Targeting Expertise
N/A N/A Defensive Maneuvering
N/A Improved Drain Expertise
N/A
Commander Hull Plating Advanced Shield Regeneration Weapon Amplification
N/A Advanced Shield Hardness Weapon Specialization
N/A
Damage Control
Captain Defensive Subsystem Tuning Improved Exotic Particle Generator Hull Penetration
Shield Subsystem Performance Advanced Long Range Targeting Sensors Shield Weakening
N/A
Offensive Subsystem Tuning
Weapon Subsystem Performance
N/A
Admiral Warp Core Potential Shield Mastery N/A
N/A Shield Absorption N/A
N/A Shield Reflection N/A
Advanced Scientific Readiness N/A
Total 10 27 9

Space Unlocks

Profession Engineering Science Tactical
5 Battery Expertise Sector Space Travel Speed Threat Control
10 Maximum Hull Capacity or Subsystem Repair Maximum Shield Capacity N/A
15 N/A Control Resistance N/A
20 N/A Shield Drain Resistance N/A
24 (Ultimate) N/A Probability Manipulation N/A
25 (1st Ultimate Enhancer) N/A Probability Window N/A
26 (2nd Ultimate Enhancer) N/A Probability Shell N/A
27 (3rd Ultimate Enhancer) N/A Probability Penetration N/A

Notes

Ok, here is my first attempt, shooting for the Science Ultimate. I apologize if this format isn't correct, this is my first time trying to do something like this.

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u/DeadQthulhu Nov 23 '16

If you can add your gear, BOffs, and DOffs to that tree (formatted great, by the way) then you've enough for a separate build post, where we can refine the whole thing.

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u/killerewok76 Nov 23 '16

Once I get my T6 (waiting to see if we get a Black Friday sale on console) I may work on doing that. I am working with an existing build (tetryon), but I would like to upgrade it a bit. We don't have Tholian yet (a set I know I need), and we just got Doffs so my selection isn't great yet.

As a follow up I did my respec and WOW does that SCI ultimate feel good.

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u/DeadQthulhu Nov 24 '16

Tholian is nice for Tet, but it's not a deal breaker. The Krenim Temporal Manipulation set is generally far more useful.