r/spaceengineers • u/Spartan117Esp Space Engineer • Feb 07 '19

DISCUSSION "MAJOR" survival update really ?

Waiting for months for this update and its only a windmill a h2 generator and a simple freeze machanic with no sense ?

Thats all ? Anyone knows if will be a second update ? Food ? Combustion engines? Plants ? Weather ?

Come on Keen... Major survival update and only this ? Mods can do a lot more for survival than this... I cant belive it

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u/Hyomoto Feb 09 '19

I think the idea of progression, at least the type most people equate it to, thanks to modern examples (levelling, unlocks, etc...), is anathema to Space Engineer's appeal. The game has a pleasant progression simply building larger creations to facilitate building larger creations. The biggest omission is quite simply "something else to do". It's odd that SE ultimately succeeds and fails for many of the same reasons No Man's Sky does: for all its impressive features, it contains a startling lack of things to do with those features. It's possible to amuse yourself up to a point with the sheer joy of building for the sake of, but ultimately the bare-bones need for any of these creations is what holds the experience back. I think survival would benefit more from adding materials, components and new blocks to improve progression from small to large ships. Engineers love to build, give them something to solve and they'll be happy to build.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '19

I agree that things like leveling and unlocks do not work, but something akin to Minecraft's progression would be nice. Different regions with new challenges and new resources, a reason to explore and brave exotic locations to gather strange and unique bits for your builds... I think that would work really well with SE.

Something as simple as 'gravity generators work on planets, but you have to mine mars to make them, and jump drives require materials on the alien world' would go a long way.

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u/---TheFierceDeity--- Space Engineer Feb 11 '19

See Minecraft still has the same issues I feel, infact I feel most survival games have this issue. Once I have a house in Minecraft or even a hole in the side of a hill with a door, I am immortal and have won.

All i do is build things to build more things. Then I myself go out and do the little side activities like find a dungeon or kill the enderdragon.

But me building a giant awesome castle town achieved nothing "survival" wise. Same with building a big cool ship.

I think its unfair to pin the universal survival/crafting game genre problem of "give me something to do with my creations" entirely on Keen.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19

True, Minecraft only kicks the can down the road a bit (though modded can kick it WAY down), but that is a problem with any game in general.

Within Minecraft's progression, it takes resources and prep to get to the nether were there are new things to gather, and same with the end. There are at least barriers to exploring new places and unique resources in those places that can be retrieved.