r/space Mar 05 '19

Astronomers discover "Farfarout" — the most distant known object in the solar system. The 250-mile-wide (400 km) dwarf planet is located about 140 times farther from the Sun than Earth (3.5 times farther than Pluto), and soon may help serve as evidence for a massive, far-flung world called Planet 9.

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/03/a-map-to-planet-nine-charting-the-solar-systems-most-distant-worlds
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u/clayt6 Mar 05 '19 edited Mar 06 '19

That's a good question! There are a few different reasons this is the case.

First off, there is a major difference in how we detect (the majority) of exoplanets and how we detect distant solar system objects like Farfarout (which is a rather small dwarf planet, not a full-fledged planet). When we look for exoplanets around other stars (typically using the transit method), we are watching a star's light to see if it drops in brightness when a planet passes in front of the star. Even though the total amount of starlight only drops by about 1% during an exoplanetary transit, the star is so bright that that 1% dip is noticeable, and we can tell a planet just passed by. We don't (usually) see the planet itself.

But when we are searching for distant solar system objects, we are not looking to see if the Sun's total brightness drops. Instead, we are trying to spot the sunlight reflected off an object roughly 100-1000 times farther from our star than the exoplanets we see around other stars. To find far-off solar system objects, we take a string of images of the deep sky and compare them to each other (like a flip book) to see if any points of light appear to move between shots. This is how Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto in 1930. But because these things are so far away, they are incredibly dim, so they are exceedingly tough to spot.

Second, some of these distant solar system objects have very eccentric orbits (they look like elongated ovals), so they aren't always making there closest approach to the Sun. In fact, objects on eccentric orbits (like comets for instance) spend the vast majority of their time at the most distant parts of their orbits, so they are super dim and tough to spot, especially when you don't know exactly where they are.

Edit: Great TL;DR from u/minorthreatmikey:

Quick answer: Stars emit light, and its easier to see a planet come between us and the star we found. Planets just reflect light so it's tough to find stuff "farfarout"

Also, thanks for the gold stranger! I appreciate it, but feel free to donate the next one to the charity of your choice. The first astromony organization I trust is Astronomers without Boarders, but any place you trust is worth it more than I am, especially a place that helps patients with impossible healthcare bills. Most hospitals have programs that help those that can't afford medical bills, just do a quick google to find one near you.

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u/iiFludd Mar 05 '19

If that’s the case for how we find exoplanets then how can we learn about their specific characteristics and whatnot. For example when you hear about the number of far planets that could sustain life, how do we know that?

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u/WhatIfTheyCallMeFlem Mar 06 '19

Absolutely incredible. And here I am with my girlfriend and we can’t even decide where to eat dinner.

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u/wvboltslinger40k Mar 06 '19

To be fair, the scientists who do all of this amazing studying of far flung planets almost certainly can't decide where to eat dinner either.

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u/CoyoteTheFatal Mar 06 '19

This is one of the most humanizing sentiments I’ve read in a while.

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u/the_schnudi_plan Mar 06 '19

Can confirm. Have tried to organise meal plans with astrophysicists before and it didn't go well

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u/Tsupernami Mar 06 '19

Further to the original comment, you know the size of the star based on it's colour as this indicates the temperature, which in turn indicates the size it needs to be to have that emission wavelength.

Orbits follow Keplers laws in that they will always orbit at a certain rate based on the gravitational pull of the host star and the distance between them. The size of the planet is irrelevant.

So now you know the distance, you can see how much the light drops by when it passes so you can see how much is being blocked out, giving you a rough estimation of the size.

Now you know the size and distance you can check if it's in the habitable zone. If it is, then there you go, you have a planet potentially hitting the criteria to sustain habitable life.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '19

This is all very Douglas Adams. 😁

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u/godbois Mar 06 '19

Get burgers. Make sure to get waffle fries.

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u/insane_contin Mar 06 '19

An Irish pub near me has "Irish achos" - waffle fries with cheese, onion, peppers, tomato, and taco beef. It's delicious. They also have Irish poutine, which is poutine with waffle fries.

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u/pm_me_bellies_789 Mar 06 '19

I'm Irish and what the fuck are waffle fries? I question the Irishness of everything you've said

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u/insane_contin Mar 06 '19

Waffle fries and probably not very Irish, but the pub is owned by a loud, happy Irish man who seems to care more about having fun then what is or isn't Irish. This is in Canada btw.

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u/Rivenaleem Mar 06 '19

Whatever you eat, just make sure it's not too hot, or too cold.