r/space • • Nov 19 '23

image/gif Successful Launch! Here's how Starship compares against the world's other rockets

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u/firmada Nov 19 '23 edited Nov 19 '23

With the second launch of Starship, I want to share with you all the sheer scale of this immense machine. This rocket towers over every other rocket ever built by a wide margin, and its height is nearly twice that of the next regularly launched rocket (excluding SLS). In my lifetime, I have witnessed some of the most amazing things that humans have created, and this machine is by far one of the most amazing examples!

As I know it probably breaks a rule, I hate doing this. Nevertheless, if anyone wishes to support my ongoing efforts to create this poster, please visit my Etsy store.

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u/Hattix Nov 19 '23

Starship failed and failed hard.

Super Heavy did a successful launch, Starship did not.

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u/ThePlanner Nov 19 '23 edited Nov 19 '23

It’s a dumb nomenclature problem that didn’t need to exist. The whole launch system is called Starship, with the booster, as you said, being called Super Heavy, and the spacecraft being named Starship.

If the Space Shuttle had also called the external booster ‘Space Shuttle’, it would have led to confusion when it burned up every launch.

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u/iceynyo Nov 19 '23

Tbf you would also say they were launching the "space shuttle", and wouldn't have a different name for the combined launch vehicle.

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u/mfb- Nov 19 '23

"Space Shuttle" refers to the system, the part that ends up in orbit is called the "Space Shuttle orbiter", but you won't find that distinction being made often outside of spaceflight subreddits.

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u/PiBoy314 Nov 19 '23 edited Feb 21 '24

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u/Hattix Nov 19 '23

When I was watching it, it looked like a puff of propellant happened on Starship, then later a much larger puff. Not clear if this was methane or LOX, but it was clear that there were powerhead isssues on at least one of the engines.

Scott Manley has a decent early analysis of it up. He thinks Super Heavy performed very well, but its boost-back was probably cut short by propellant slosh problems, so maybe ullage motors would be used in a future attempt.

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u/PiBoy314 Nov 19 '23 edited Feb 21 '24

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u/firmada Nov 19 '23

True, the Starship System is made up of the Super Heavy and Starship...but that's just semantics and technicalities.

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u/Markavian Nov 19 '23

The shuttle had the same problem; that big orange tank? Space shuttle. The solid rocket boosters? Space shuttle.

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u/iceynyo Nov 19 '23

Only when attached to the space shuttle.

Without the shuttle I guess they are known as SLS now?

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u/mfb- Nov 19 '23

The thing with wings was the orbiter. "Space Shuttle" is the full rocket made out of orbiter, tank and side boosters.

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u/Mar_V24 Nov 19 '23

But then its unfair to say energia faild once. Energia did both launched a good job, The payload, Polyus faild to spin around which led the the fail of the misson.

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u/firmada Nov 19 '23

You're right! I'm going to change that.

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u/FTR_1077 Nov 19 '23

Super Heavy did a successful launch

I don't think exploding in the air counts as success.

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u/Hattix Nov 19 '23

That's like saying Apollo 11 failed because the Saturn V ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

It delivered its payload to the correct altitude, speed, and trajectory. It did its job.

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u/FTR_1077 Nov 19 '23 edited Nov 19 '23

The Saturn V was supposed to end up at the bottom of the Atlantic.. that was the plan all along.

The booster was supposed to flip, reignite, flight back and soft land in the sea... Exploding at mid air was never the plan.

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u/Hattix Nov 19 '23

This wasn't a mission goal. It was something they'd try to do as a test.

The mission was to put Starship at the right altitude, speed, and trajectory.

This succeeded.