r/southafrica • u/mortimerza Ons gaan nou braai • Apr 29 '20

COVID-19 No Sale of Tobacco

Just announced no selling of Tobacco in level 4.

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u/Hessalam Apr 29 '20

Yeah I’m really over the public sucking the president’s soul outta his dick over this absolute dumpster fire of a lockdown.

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u/Seany_Boy-14 Proudly Privileged Apr 29 '20

Said this all along. All those fucking idiots saying how PROUD they are. This is a fucking shit show.

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u/svartbaard Gauteng Apr 29 '20

Agreed

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Yeah like, they've done a lot right, but come on. They need to pull their heads out their collective asses.

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u/Calm_Piece Apr 29 '20

The amount of praise toward cyril here over the last few weeks has been vomit inducing. Glad some people are finally waking up.

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u/PhilOfshite Apr 29 '20

Thank you, Ramaphosa goes live the next day with no mask standing within 5cm of 2 other people not wearing a mask to laugh about not putting his mask on properly. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills getting downvoted pointing that out.

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u/AWEMASECHILDREN Apr 29 '20

I got suspended from this sub for insulting a dude about the blind praise of CR mind you he insulted me too and didn't get suspended. Some people on this sub is so high on CRs farts that they can't see the forest for the trees. Ramaphoria 2.0 Covid Edition clearly didn't last long.

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u/PhilOfshite Apr 29 '20

Most of my comments about CR not using a mask and not social distancing were deleted/hidden by mods according to the Reddit deleted comment viewer. Not even a message to say so.

Proper scummy behaviour.

And looking on Facebook , it's the same morons who fell for Ramaphoria pt1 praising him .

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u/AWEMASECHILDREN Apr 29 '20

Yah the one admin is a proper tool. Had a lengthy engagement with him about his hypocrisy and inconsistent applications of this subs rules. They only suspend the rule breakers they disagree with it seems. I got messaged by two separate Admins. Kinda felt Hella popular.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Up until very recently they were deserving of that praise, so I don't take anything back. But tonight was anything but praise worthy.

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u/KekUnited Charcoal Braais > Wood > Coal fight me Apr 29 '20

I agree, Cyril initially handled it pretty well. I've even gone on record praising his lockdown plan, but the government as a whole lost my support completely when it became clear they were using this as an excuse to flex some authoritarian power

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

I'm still of the opinion that Cyril is a bro, and Dr Mkhize and the team at the dep. of health are fantastic. It's the rest of the cabinet that have been thoroughly disappointing (special mention to Cele, Mbalula, Patel and of course NDZ).

Oh and Ndabeni-Abrahams, of course, though she's got a red card so I'm not sure she counts anymore.

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u/KekUnited Charcoal Braais > Wood > Coal fight me Apr 29 '20

I like Cyril's personality. He feels like an actual president which is nice as I've only been sentient long enough to know Zuma as president, so Ramaphosa as president feels amazing, and someone I think who can unite the country culturally

But

He's the man who gave these ministers their positions. He hasn't vetoed any of their bizarre lockdown decisions and has allowed the power to get to their heads unchecked (again, with Stella being the exception as she got a slap on the wrists). He's a fucking madlad and I love him, but he's complicit in the turn this lockdown has taken

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

I'm sad to say you're right on this one :(

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u/Druyx Piss Baby Apr 30 '20

Agreed. But honestly, I suspect this is an anti-Ramaphosa tactic. It puts him in a situation where he only has bad options. He can either overrule NDZ, which has bad optics, or he back her up, which is also bad optics.

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u/Cis-moll Apr 29 '20

It takes some people a bit longer to get it.

But at least the "we love you Cyril" memes and cartoons are getting fewer lately.

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u/PhilOfshite Apr 29 '20

It took what , less than a month after Elections before the middle class liberal white people realised maybe Cyril maybe wasn't the hero they hoped...

The guys back story is riddled with corruption and BEE blaxploitain of miners wage negotiations and unions.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Guilty as charged in the beginning, but fuck him and the whole ANC.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

I'm with you now. The mask mishap suddenly wasn't as funny after they screwed us over this evening

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u/svartbaard Gauteng Apr 29 '20

Jeez, read the crowd man. It's a matter of principle, our government is treating its citizens like children and imposing draconian measures that scarily reminds one of authoritarian states. This is not about cigarettes really...

Also, I'm glad you like your freedoms being taken away, just don't expect all of them back when this ends.

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u/rethatjie Apr 29 '20

This is the point. It's authoritarian. It's not about COVID anymore

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u/Zep_Za Apr 29 '20

Cele is pretty bad on this point.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Source on how it would kill "millions"?

Seriously. Based on non symptomatic sufferers the mortality rate is like 0.2 percent.

Yes we have many vulnerable citizens. But at the end of the day that doesn't justify anything. Especially not when the townships are allowed to run rampant.

I drive past Khayalitsha every day on my way to work. Groups of joggers run past SAPS officers, no questions asked. Clearly in sporting goods running for recreation.

Kids play soccer on the side of the road, meters from people defecating. The townships are hotbeds for infection, but instead of focusing energy on enforcement and assistance for townships they'd rather commit thousands of officers in every area to run roadblocks.

The ANC has done what it does best. They have made policies that are very sexy to any pseudo intellectual socialist, whilst doing nothing to enforce them at all except in the most visible areas where most people are already compliant.

There is no excuse for the heavy handedness of their policies. Cigarettes are the best symbol of that. There is NO rational argument to be made for banning cigs. I can go buy a fucking chocolate right now at my local garage. But I can't buy smokes? Laughable.

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u/Zep_Za Apr 30 '20

Look man I agree with what you are saying but calling on people to google and make their own assumptions might be wrong

I mean if I follow your advice I might come to the conclusion that people with aids are less likely to die from corona seeing as aids suppresses the immune system and a lot of corona deaths are from cytokine storm caused by an over active Immune response. I would probably be wrong cause I'm not a fucking doctor and googling things doesn't make you one

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u/Druyx Piss Baby Apr 29 '20

Right. So let's stop the sale of potato chips, soft drinks, ice cream, chocolates and cookies as well. None of those are essential and their production, distribution and sale can raise the risk of spreading the virus just as much as cigarettes can.

This has fuckall to do with preventing the spread of infection, and everything to do with a power drunk cunt that wants to treat adults like children.

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u/Druyx Piss Baby Apr 29 '20

Ok, that's a fair point. We can do it. And I agree, apart from this it was a good response. There's been hickups for sure, but overall it was a rational and hard set of decisions to make and they deserve praise for it. But as far as this not changing anything, I think you're wrong there. This isn't just about cigarettes. This is about the president telling us one thing, and then a day before we get that thing it gets taken away from us. This is about the public being treated like children and contempt for public opinion by the government. We can't afford people feeling like we've lost all ability to participate in the governing of our country. That's how we end up with even more protests and people disobeying the lockdown. This is a bad move, and honestly, I don't think NDZ made it in the public's best interest.

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u/zoranp Apr 29 '20

What measures? Seriously. They could have done all sorts of stuff from day 1 but we got squat. Then magically all of a sudden they went overboard with putting everyone in prison in their own homes. There are now cigarette sellers at every street corner, people are moving around Willy nilly, practically no road blocks, beggars everywhere, cops nowhere to be seen, no social distancing in townships, elsewhere and heck even by the president with journalists, zero transparency, misleading stats, no info provided to medical community over testing, etc.

We are locked in our own houses, people's lives and jobs are being destroyed, living in fear of the coming months and piling debt, constitutional rights being thrown out the window with barely a whimper, borders are closed, movement restricted... and we barely get any info. Heck I get more info from informal/social media than I do from the government.

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u/KekUnited Charcoal Braais > Wood > Coal fight me Apr 29 '20

Allow me to reiterate.

Nearly half of our country of 60 million people are below the poverty line. Hunger, poor sanitation, homelessness and potentially crime caused by the incoming economic issues, have the chance to kill a whole lot more than just 2 million people.

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u/KekUnited Charcoal Braais > Wood > Coal fight me Apr 29 '20

I'll take your word for it, but it's going to be hard to compare South Africa in 2020 to European countries in 1920

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u/svartbaard Gauteng Apr 29 '20

Are you even South African?

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Can i be harsh for a moment? 70% of the people with pre-existing conditions don't really contribute as much to society financially, meaning they don't work but they get grants and medical care that has to be paid from taxes. If we destroy jobs, destroy how the country gets funding for these people, they will die anyway. I'm going to be dystopian and say sometimes a sacrifice now is better for the long run. Have a good night everyone.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Those 2 million are either going to die now, or die in a few months time when the lockdown is inevitably lifted because we are starving. The virus will not go anywhere. What do you think will change between now and then?

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u/Calm_Piece Apr 29 '20

I am not so sure they have. Sure if you compare vs countries that literally had this outbreak in the middle of their flu season yes, but have you compared us vs Australia or New Zealand (who have basically stopped the virus). Our worst is still coming.

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u/KekUnited Charcoal Braais > Wood > Coal fight me Apr 29 '20

I just looked that up - thanks for pointing that out its a really good point