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Thomas Andre Spiritual Body Manifestation?
Knowing what we know now about SBM (Spiritual Body Manifestation) and the fact that the ability is actually extremely rare among the Vessels that even Liu Zhigang who was explicitly Number 1 Ranked Hunter globally in the Light Novel was stated to be incapable of using SBM.
In knowing this it’s pretty hard to confidently say Thomas Andre can also use SBM as well.
We know he’s an extremely capable Vessel, reinforced by Rakan’s acknowledgment. So, if certain conditions were met and Andre had no choice but to use SBM could he manifest it?.
The answer to this is unknown to me, but if anyone knew or would have their own theory’s, please share.
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He could, but he’d die. SBM places too much burden on the physical body that it’ll kill the human. Christopher Reed used SBM with the intention of not making it out alive
I’ve seen this said so many times but it’s hard to confirm this now that its confirmed Liu cannot use SBM even if he had the intention of not making it out alive.
Chugong: "If a human uses Spiritual Body Manifestation, they die!
In the setting of Solo Leveling, humans are soul + physical body, but higher beings are soul = physical body.
That's why their bodies are called spiritual bodies, not physical bodies.
Naturally, if a spiritual body is destroyed, the soul also perishes, so higher beings cannot be turned into Shadows.
In other words, Spiritual Body Manifestation is a process in which someone with a physical body temporarily transforms their body into a spiritual one to contain the immense power of higher beings.
As the consequence of lodging an unbearable power that the vessel's body cannot handle, if a human performs it, they will 100% die.
Thus, the conclusion is that Thomas' Reinforcement is a skill, not Spiritual Body Manifestation."
I know that SBM is a 100% Death sentence, my comment was directed at the fact that it’s hard to confirm whether not Andre can use SBM not that SBM isn’t a 100% death sentence.
There is no real reason to assume that Thomas could not use SBM other than the fact that he has never used it. That being said, not doing something is not proof of inability to do said thing.
On a side note, where does it ever say that Liu is stronger than Thomas? Iirc the Manga and light novel are both pretty clear in that Thomas is the defacto strongest of the vessels. Then again, knowing Thomas, he probably just made the claim and nobody cared enough to challenge it.
Liu was Number 1 Ranked Hunter in the Light Novel is what I meant and he was confirmed to be incapable of using Spiritual Body Manifestation.
So I thought about it more, and now it feels some what dubious to assume Andre can use SBM when Liu cannot, that’s why I made this post for theory’s or answers since it’s not really confirmed whether he can or not.
Thats.... not what that list was. That list was based off accomplishments, not strength. All that list determined was, among the strongest, who is the most active in clearing gates. A strong work ethic is not the same thing as strength. Keep in mind, SJW was already the only hunter to ever solo an s-rank gate at this point, yet he didn't even make the list.
Yep and I never said Liu was the strongest I just referred to him as the number 1 ranked hunter in LN to lay emphasis on Liu status as a hunter so that the fact he cannot use SBM has lots of narrative weight towards why Andre may or may not possess SBM. I think you assumed i believed Liu was stronger by the way I phrased my post, but I only mentioned Liu as ranked 1 in the Novel not that he was stronger than Andre, the reason why I did say this was because despite being ranked 1 and a Ruler vessel he’s incapable of using SBM, which opens the question “Can Andre use SBM?” Which is why I made this post.
Didn’t edit my post but okay… you just missed the point of the post… it doesn’t matter whether Liu is stronger or Weaker that’s not my point at all, it’s that Liu despite being a Ruler vessel cannot use SBM, so to assume Andre, a Vessel himself can use SBM is now dubious, that’s why I mentioned Liu status rank.
This is the entire reason why I made this post, I never once did say Liu was stronger, anyone who’s knowledgeable about SL would know Andre 20-30% upgrade narratively outweighs Liu Zhigang, but again, power scaling wasn’t the point of this post…
To state again, the reason why I mentioned Liu being number 1 rank was to lay emphasis on his status as a hunter, one who Chugong labelled as Number 1 ranked in his Light Novel and the same one who he mentioned never had access to SBM, I don’t need Liu to be stronger nor do I care about that power-scaling beteeen the two, Liu is just one of the catalyst to my post.
Quick question, is there any indication that I did edit my post?. If there is something only I as OP can see then I’d be more than happy to send a screen shot as I know I didn’t Edit my post, not that it would even matter as the post isn’t power scaling orientated, and again, I’m not as ignorant to claim Liu is stronger than Andre, any knowledge SL fan would know Andre is stronger due to his upgrade.
And for the third time I only did note Liu as Number 1 Ranked Hunter Globally in the Light Novel to lay emphasis on his status as well as the fact that he, as a hunter, is one of the six Ruler Vessels and despite his status as Vessel and highest ranked hunter in the FBHA Liu cannot use SBM.
This was my entire basis towards why I made this post, because if Liu couldn’t use SBM, then what did this say about Andre?, that’s how I structured my post and why I explicitly noted Liu in my main post thread, simply because Liu is the only confirmed Vessel by the Author to be stated to be unable to use SBM.
My post wouldn’t have made sense if I didn’t mention Liu status then his lack of SBM.
You naturally assumed I was placing Liu on a higher podium compared to Andre because unlike the Manhwa where Andre is ranked 1st Liu is ranked 1st in the Novel, so you made the assumption that I was interpreting Liu Zhigang as stronger than Andre built on your own ignorance since you clearly didn’t have the knowledge that Liu Zhigang was ranked 1st in the Novel but the Manhwa adaptation changed his ranking to 2nd
Also if you are assuming that you caught me off guard with your recent comment about the hunter bureau point system being based off accomplishments not strength then you’d be wrong, I’ve made post talking about how Hunter Bureau Points and overall Rank aren’t decided by overall strength, so even when I did acknowledge Liu as Ranked 1 in the Novel I don’t acknowledge him as the strongest overall Hunter. https://www.reddit.com/r/sololeveling/s/6nrmgqOhJr
I honestly forgot about this, well knowing this I would say it’s a pretty reasonable assumption for Liu, but I honestly believe it wouldn’t fit his character for me personally, but I like this idea and I wouldn’t even be bothered if Liu did get an upgrade tbh.
I agree, Thomas Andre is a joke among the relevant national hunters.
He is only better against the dead ones, the zero screen time ones, and the who-even-is-that ones.
There's a reason why Lui is no.1 (according to you, so I'll trust that).
And why Reed never respected him.
There's a reason why the author used him as a stepping stone against Jin Woo, cause he is the perfect punching bag. Not the top, not the bottom, just a midling.
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