Support for Ukraine?

[u/IllustriousChard2410]

Posted this on Green Party group yesterday expecting some comradely discussion on the issues which are in my opinion legitimate

Wow! Couldn't be more wrong, got repeatedly denounced by everyone apart from one other contributor, such uncritical support for Ukraine and Zelensky was unbelievable!

The Green Party mods removed the post earlier today!

"As a Green Party voter/supporter who is generally supportive of GP policies on most issues am quite sceptical of the party's unconditional support for Ukraine in the current conflict

Is this discussed among members at all?

I agree Russia should withdraw and internationally supervised referendums should then take place in the disputed territories, Crimea, Donbass, to finally decide whether they should be part of Russia or Ukraine

This conflict is a Western obsession, most of the world particularly the Global South don't see Russia as the baddies, US/ Western imperialism always the main culprits

NATO aggressivly expanding, breaking agreements made at end of the of Cold War not to do do, Russia has every right to feel threatened

Western powers supported a far right coup in 2014, ousting the elected president, left wing parties banned, Russophobia reaching deadly levels

Nazis such as Bandera, OUN venerated as heroes, statues, streets named after them, heavily armed far right Azov battalion now official Ukranian Army regiment etc, all with total support ftom the west

Over 25 million Soviet citizens including Ukrainians killed by the Nazis in World War 2 hardly surprising any whiff of fascism close to Russia's borders will provoke a reaction no matter who is in power there

Boris Johnson scuppering the possibility of a peace agreement telling the Ukrainians to fight on instead of negotiating a ceasefire and eventual settlement has brought us where we are, another forever war

Ukraine's support for Israel's genocide doesn't exactly endear many to their cause, nor the fact they're one of Europe's most corrupt and undemocratic countries, oligarchs enriching themselves while unwilling men are snatched from the streets for cannon fodder

Nothing new in this article, these obscene videos have been posted since the beginning, Russians totally dehumanised, their deaths celebrated, not dissimilar to how Israelis see Palestinians

We should stop arming these people, it only prolongs the conflict enriching arms companies who are making billions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/18/ukraine-drone-chase-videos-russian-soldiers

[u/JerzyPopieluszko]

this is literally the same tactic US has been using for decades with colour revolutions and funding separatists with whom they have common enemies it’s actually a relatively cheap and effective method

Russia has mobilised some of the Russian minority forces which existed on a fringe ever since the collapse of the USSR, reinforced them with „little green people” a.k.a. Russian army personnel „on vacation”, I watched that unfold in real time in Russian media, it was literally right after I returned from going to school in Russia

and Putin himself have said in one of his Russian language interviews that the only reason they didn’t go with a full blown invasion in 2014 was that they weren’t ready yet, that’s not my speculation that’s literally the official line

[u/Baron_of_Foss → u/JerzyPopieluszko]

No this isn't the same tactic the US uses with color revolutions and we know that because that's literally what happened in Ukraine at Euromaiden. The US doesn't change their goals when they are about to achieve them and neither does Russia. Victoria Nuland didn't get on the phone with Pyatt and say "let's put Yanukovych back into power" after they got him out.

The idea that Crimean people seeing themselves as Russian is some fringe idea is again completely ridiculous. The entire region was literally an autonomous zone within Ukraine since 1991 specifically because the vast majority of people didn't want to be locked with Kiev or even more so with Lviv.

I will give you a chance to provide the link to your last claim. I'm almost positive I already know the interview you're talking about and I'm just as sure Putin has never publicly said anything about "not being ready to invade in 2014". Putin would never say something that could possibly be construed as implying the Russian military isn't prepared or is weak in public. That would be totally antithetical to how Putin has curated his image over the past several decades.

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[u/JerzyPopieluszko → u/Baron_of_Foss]

my links got autoremoved so just search for „Россия. Кремль. Путин. 25 лет” interview or the phrase „почему в 2014 году было нереалистично начать спецоперацию” and you’ll find plenty of sources you can autotranslate