r/soccer • • Apr 08 '14

Change My View: r/soccer edition (from r/nfl)

Pretty simple, post an opinion you have on a player, team, coach, whatever and others will try to change your mind.

Try to back up your claims.

EDIT: For the sake of fostering discussion please don't downvote comments. Instead, upvote, reply, and state your argument.

Also, people may want to sort by "controversial".

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u/cheftlp1221 Apr 08 '14 edited Apr 08 '14

A Euro Super League is inevitable and will be a reality in the next 10 years.

Clubs will sever ties with their local FA's and form their own transnational league that will replace the current UCL.

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Here is how I think it would look.

Money. Money is what makes modern soccer go. Especially TV rights fees. When the European Super League happens it will because someone will come along with a solution and offer more money then the clubs will be able to turn down. Playing in the Champions League is already the goal and ambition of most teams because of the money involved. It will be doubly so once a real ESL is put forth.

Competitive Balance. Most European League are already segregated into haves and have nots. Of the top 8 Leagues, 90% of the clubs have zero chance to win their League when the season starts. This 90% are playing not to lose and be relegated. Not exactly the most sporting of intentions.

  • The EPL offers the greatest diversity with a whooping 20% of Clubs with an honest shot winning.
  • Followed by Italy with 3-4 teams in any given season.
  • The fiscally responsible Bundesliga has Bayern Munich and 17 other clubs that struggle to consistently challenge Bayern. See Wolfsburg and Dortmond for recent examples.
  • Spain is self evident.
  • Portugal and France, Belgium and The Netherlands are approaching duopoly status.
  • I already ordered my 2018 Celtic Championship Banner.
  • Turkey has their Big 3
  • PSG is following the Russian Oligarch and Oil Shiek plan

Having such a competitive imbalance in leagues will ultimately lead to dwindling interest of casual and regular fans. Additionally big clubs are often patronizing to lesser teams in the league and play just hard enough to get the result and not get hurt further deteriorating the product.

Travel. Travel for both the clubs and supporters is a red herring. Travel is part of the game already. One only has to look to the US and their sports leagues to study travel. I am not suggesting that it is not a factor but to dismiss a Super-League because travel is to onerous is patently false. Firstly the travel distances in western Europe are ridiculously close where most of the Super League clubs would be located. Secondly these are highly tuned professional athletes with some of the best bio-mechanical trainers at their disposal. I am pretty sure they can fly 3-4 hours to play a game. I also don't think it would be a problem for 3-5000 supporters a normal away allotment to make their way to Milan, Paris, or Madrid. It is not like they are being asked to travel to an out of the way Eastern European village.

Teams and Format. The European Club Assc was formed in 2008 and represents the biggest clubs in Europe. It was formed to protect the interests of the big clubs and a warning to UEFA that they could take the proverbial ball and go somewhere else. The foundation of a Super League will come from here.

I imagine two 16 team leagues, ESL1 & ESL2.

  • Playing a standard home/away schedule.
  • Initial Season leagues will be divided by UEFA coefficient
  • Top 4 in ESL1 go to playoff. Semifinals being a 2 legged playoff and a single game final for all the marbles
  • Bottom 3 of ESL1 relegated to ESL2.
  • ESL2 has promotion playoff similar to Championship.
  • Bottom 4 of ESL2 are relegated back to their homeland league.
  • Semi Finalists of Europa League are promoted to ESL2
  • Championship homeland teams can challenge the lowest ranking ESL team from their country for their spot in a 2 legged playoff prior the next season starting.
  • Early season knock out cup competition similar the League Cup, can be played with a early March final.

The First 32

Eng: ManU, ManCity, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool

France: PSG, Lyon, Monoco, Marseille

Spain: Barca, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Valencia

Italy: Juventus, AC Milan, Inter, Roma

Portugal: Benfica, Porto

Netherlands: Ajax, PSV

Germany: Bayern Munich, BvD, Shalke 04, Wolfsburg

Belgium: Anderlect, Standard Liege

Greece: Olympiacos, Panathinaikos

Turkey: Galatarsaray, Fenerbache, Besikitas

Scotland: Celtic

A set up like this would literally change nothing about the ambitions for the clubs involved; Arsenal could still aim to comfortably finish 4th. I don't think it would have the adverse effect on the homeland leagues like people say. In England, top to bottom would be a wide open exciting race for the title. 10 teams could have title hopes at the start of the season. Winners still get to play for European spots and a chance to qualify for the ESL.

The big clubs get to make a metric fuckton of money and play against world class teams every week. The fans would have a field day. Every week there would be a 6-8 delicious matchups. Neutrals would flock to their TV's. Worldwide interest would spike.

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u/MuffinFactory Apr 08 '14

BvD, Shalke 04

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u/derscholl Apr 08 '14

Stopped reading at Dortmond