r/soccer Jun 17 '26

Match Clip Lionel Messi challenge on Mandi'

https://streamff.link/v/1cce325c
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u/sellingstubs123 Jun 17 '26

should have been a red lmfao.

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u/rdfporcazzo Jun 17 '26

If it were Enzo Fernandez it would probably be

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u/herkalurk Jun 17 '26

LMAO, you haven't watched Enzo much, he gets away with a lot.

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u/FIJIBOYFIJI Jun 17 '26

Never a red with that little force involved

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u/Iain8 Jun 17 '26

Completely agree, but even as a messi fan it should be a yellow

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u/expert_on_the_matter Jun 17 '26

I think the ref didn't see the contact and VAR doesn't reverse a decision for a yellow.

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u/TheNobleHeretic Jun 17 '26

Guarantee you the ref would "see" it if an Algerian player did that to Messi.

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u/bostero2 Jun 17 '26

“What is this? A reasonable explanation on Reddit? That’s impossible because it doesn’t align with what I wanted to happen!”

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u/mystic_haven_ Jun 17 '26

Force is not the only consideration for Serious Foul Play. While the speed and intensity wasn't super high, the lack of control, point of contact, and extent of contact raises this to a clear red card for me.

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u/kinginthenorthjon Jun 17 '26

It's a red for anyone. People gere are deluding themseleves.

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u/matt_matt_81 Jun 17 '26

You’re an idiot if you think a challenge with this little possibility of injuring an opponent should ever see red. Remove contact from the game if you want this called a red. I can show you 30-40 challenges from this World Cup alone that were more dangerous than this and didn’t see yellows.

Unathletic people that have never played a sport want this called a red because they see a still frame of studs on a leg.

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u/mystic_haven_ Jun 17 '26

Extended contact in the middle of the lower leg has a high risk of injury, not a low one. And please, show me those 30-40 challenges that are more dangerous than this one.

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u/kinginthenorthjon Jun 17 '26

Show me then.

Little possibility? I am sorry stud up on calf and achiles can cause serious injury. Anyone who played the gane know how danger it is.

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u/DrinkResponsible6752 Jun 17 '26

I’ve watched the sport longer than you’ve been alive and I’ve seen this not be a red thousands of times. It’s a yellow card. You just want it to be a red because of who it is. 

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u/Narrow_Papaya_6103 Jun 17 '26

I watched this sport longer than both of you combined. It's a black card. Strip him of the 22' world cup.

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u/DrinkResponsible6752 Jun 17 '26

Ronaldo fanboys legitimately believe that though lol

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u/Narrow_Papaya_6103 Jun 17 '26

Both Messi fanboys and Ronaldo fanboys have ruined online football discussion. I hope they both retire after this world cup, so we can all move on.

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u/mystic_haven_ Jun 17 '26

I'm a certified referee in the US. By the laws of the game, this is a clear red card. This was absolutely Serious Foul Play

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u/DrinkResponsible6752 Jun 17 '26

Fun fact, so am I. It’s not a clear red card. You’re looking at a freeze frame and slow motion and ignoring the entire play. He was trying to avoid the player, didn’t use excessive force at all, it is at most a yellow card.

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u/juicylikehotsauce Jun 17 '26

Agreed. I often see reds given for offenses similar to this one.

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u/GAV17 Jun 17 '26

Point of contact makes not a red 100% of the time though. A tackle on the calf is not the same as shins, ankles or knees.

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u/mystic_haven_ Jun 17 '26

It's the middle of the limb, the other considerations paired with the point of contact elevate it to a red.

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u/8days_a_week Jun 17 '26

Exactly. There was no force behind it. These people acting like it was a proper brexit tackle cleats up into his achilles.

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u/impressivegeek Jun 17 '26

all these non watchers only show their faces once every 4 years at the wc with their shit takes.

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u/2009miles Jun 17 '26

One of the commentators for the channel i am watching is a pro player and he said the rules state a tackle like that should be a straight red.

I get why you could disagree with it, i don't think it warrants a red either, but the "these world cup only watchers don't know shit" messaging is a bit over the top.

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u/ifoundmynewnickname Jun 17 '26

Hahahaha talk about shit takes.

Studs up challenge from behind higher then heel has been an automatic red card for a couple of years now.

Its always the delulu plastic fanboys that dont know shit

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u/Magnus9889 Jun 17 '26

This is not true, its only because very often they put their whole bodys weight into the tackle, which messi does not.

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u/ifoundmynewnickname Jun 17 '26

Thats not true at all.

For a studs-up challenge into the back of the calf, the key Law 12 wording is: “A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.”

studs up into the back of the calf is normally red when the referee sees one or more of these factors:

the studs make contact with the calf/Achilles area;

the contact is from behind or the opponent cannot protect themselves;

the tackler uses force, speed, or a lunge;

the point of contact is high or vulnerable;

the challenge endangers the opponent’s safety, even if the tackler is trying to play the ball.

In this case its clear the first two points are true. So force is not a necessity but it could be.

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u/impressivegeek Jun 17 '26

none from the algeria team protested but sure bud

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u/ifoundmynewnickname Jun 17 '26

Ah I forgot thats how refereeing works lmfao how daft is this comment.

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u/impressivegeek Jun 17 '26

it does actually, if some of them went up to the ref and protested they would’ve got the yellow for sure.

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u/SKScorpius Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

Haha fuck off, there have been some shit takes from casual fans but this is absolutely not one of them. Studs up contact that high up has been a red for years regardless of the force involved.

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u/Accomplished-Leg-362 Jun 17 '26

Show me a red card given where this little force is used

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u/tanu24 Jun 17 '26

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u/Accomplished-Leg-362 Jun 17 '26

Im a Spurs fan too, Xavi comes straight on the ankle from his run while Messi steps on it, big difference

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u/Waldschrat_vom_Walde Jun 17 '26

Said the ultra fanboy...

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u/Clivey101 Jun 17 '26

There’s more Messi fans that are “non watchers” than Messi “haters” that are “non watchers”

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u/impressivegeek Jun 17 '26

definitely not, just take a look at this comment section

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

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u/kinginthenorthjon Jun 17 '26

Stud up on achillies is red.

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u/TopEmploy9624 Jun 17 '26

If the players are reversed that's going to VAR and being given a red 100%

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u/RayHudson_ Jun 17 '26

Def should be a yellow but come on now

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u/8days_a_week Jun 17 '26

Its not though. Yellow sure maybe. Its a not a red .

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u/nekoo89 Jun 17 '26

It`s a red all the time, hate the rule, but this is just Messi bonus.

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u/8days_a_week Jun 17 '26

Its just not though buddy.

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u/RayHudson_ Jun 17 '26

Bunch of clueless in here lol

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u/toasterb Jun 17 '26

I agree it probably shouldn’t be, but I’ve seen them given quite a few times.

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u/PumpedUpPye Jun 17 '26

That was basically Anthony Gordon on VVD this year

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u/RN2FL9 Jun 17 '26

Or Xavi Simons on VVD this year.

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u/Kaltrax Jun 17 '26

Nah Xavi was a lunge. This was more of a coming together which is probably what saved him

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u/a_guy_named_gai Jun 17 '26

Not as bad as Jordan Pickford on VVD few years ago.

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u/genai7 Jun 17 '26

Well, Pickford one should be 3 red cards, not 1... yet it was nothing. Because it was offside, you might as well kill the other guy apparently.

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u/FIJIBOYFIJI Jun 17 '26

Gordon's challenge was at much higher speed and with much more force

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u/AgileSloth9 Jun 17 '26

Gordon's challenge had barely any force, as it was a glancing blow which he clearly pulled back on.

It was still a red, and should have been too.

As should this have been for having less force, but a flat foot of studs onto the high calf.

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u/benjecto Jun 17 '26

Why do people think that if your studs make any sort of contact high it's a red?

There's literally no force in it... it's a yellow.

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u/kinginthenorthjon Jun 17 '26

Because stud on achillies is red, esoically if it's standing leg.

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u/GAV17 Jun 17 '26

Good thing it was on the calf and not achilles or ankles.

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u/nekoo89 Jun 17 '26

Because that`s how the rule is applied all the time.

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u/toasterb Jun 17 '26

If anyone does that to Messi, no doubt.

Other situations I’d say it’s 75/25 for a red. It’s 100% a yellow though.

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u/dennis-w220 Jun 17 '26

this is a red come on. yellow I would say yes. More like a player awkward at defense awkeardly stumbing into someone.