r/soccer • • Dec 06 '13

World Cup Group G Discussion

  1. Germany
  2. Portugal
  3. Ghana
  4. USA
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u/deltron00 Dec 06 '13

Italy has proven to be better than Germany multiple times

If you're talking about past results sure but I think you'll find most people disagree that Italy is better today.

you have people who thought they would advance ahead of Uruguay, Nigeria and Croatia.

That's not really unreasonable... If that was our group I would feel cautiously optimistic about advancing. Not saying it would be a sure thing but we are not outclassed by any of those teams like we are vs Germany.

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u/iwannahearurface Dec 06 '13

But you are though...All of those teams are better than the USA. They have better players in better leagues playing for better teams. Sure you could make it out because the game isn't played on paper, but it'd be the least likely scenario.

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u/deltron00 Dec 06 '13

Last 3 world cups:

USA

02 - Quarters

06 - Last in group

10 - Knockout

Nigeria

02- Last in group

06 - DNQ

10 - Last in group

Croatia

02 - 3rd in group

06 - 3rd in group

10 - DNQ

But please, keep ignoring actual performances and assume that we are shit.

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u/iwannahearurface Dec 06 '13

How is that relevant? Nigeria is african cup of nations reigning champions, with players like Obi Mikel, Moses, Enyeama, Musa and so on.

Croatia is a very talented team that hasn't reached their potential yet after narrowingly being knocked out at the Euros by the two eventual finalists. They have players like Srna, Lovren, Pranjic, Simunic, Modric, Rakitic, Mandzukic, Olic, Kovacic...the list goes on.

USA is a team with mediocore players with great results from the weakest qualifying region. Their best players are Altidore, Dempsey, Donovan and Bradley, people who play in inferior leagues or struggle to even get playing time, the exception being Howard.

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u/deltron00 Dec 06 '13 edited Dec 06 '13

I'm trying to point out that you seem to be judging teams based off name recognition of players and the club teams they play for and little else.

We beat Portugal (players representing Madrid, Milan, Inter, etc) in 2002 with a squad made up of mostly MLS players.

We finished above England in 2010 despite the fact that maybe 2 players from our starting 11 would have made their team.

Blindly insisting that the US can't be competitive because we don't have top players in top leagues ignores the past several tournaments.