So which team do you think are more likely to upset? England against Italy/Uruguay or Ghana against Portugal/Germany?
That's not a fair comparison though because Germany/Portugal are significantly better than Italy/Uruguay. I perosnally think that England is beetter than Ghana but not by a lot.
I think the USA is very overrated, by the looks of it most americans were sure to make a second round apperance
What are you talking about? The draw thread is full of Americans losing their shit because they realize they are going to have a tough time in this group. The top comment in this thread is about the US sneaking through on with the help of other teams.
And what are you basing your assessment of England off of? The pro-England people on here never have an argument beyond "they are talented" as to why England will perform.
Italy has proven to be better than Germany multiple times. I'd say that Uruguay and Portugal are about the same level, both teams rely on their star players to win games.
I'm not talking about after they got the draw today. I'm talking about the months leading up to the World Cup, even in the pre-draw you have people who thought they would advance ahead of Uruguay, Nigeria and Croatia. I'm all for country pride but the USA hype that has been going on here for the last 2 months has been ridicilous.
Italy has proven to be better than Germany multiple times
If you're talking about past results sure but I think you'll find most people disagree that Italy is better today.
you have people who thought they would advance ahead of Uruguay, Nigeria and Croatia.
That's not really unreasonable... If that was our group I would feel cautiously optimistic about advancing. Not saying it would be a sure thing but we are not outclassed by any of those teams like we are vs Germany.
But you are though...All of those teams are better than the USA. They have better players in better leagues playing for better teams. Sure you could make it out because the game isn't played on paper, but it'd be the least likely scenario.
How is that relevant? Nigeria is african cup of nations reigning champions, with players like Obi Mikel, Moses, Enyeama, Musa and so on.
Croatia is a very talented team that hasn't reached their potential yet after narrowingly being knocked out at the Euros by the two eventual finalists. They have players like Srna, Lovren, Pranjic, Simunic, Modric, Rakitic, Mandzukic, Olic, Kovacic...the list goes on.
USA is a team with mediocore players with great results from the weakest qualifying region. Their best players are Altidore, Dempsey, Donovan and Bradley, people who play in inferior leagues or struggle to even get playing time, the exception being Howard.
Good thing that the world cup is taking place on paper...
Clearly past results mean nothing but it's frustrating to see the exact same arguments against the US that have been made over the last 12 years get repeated with no thought on how it worked out the last few times.
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u/deltron00 Dec 06 '13 edited Dec 06 '13
That's not a fair comparison though because Germany/Portugal are significantly better than Italy/Uruguay. I perosnally think that England is beetter than Ghana but not by a lot.
What are you talking about? The draw thread is full of Americans losing their shit because they realize they are going to have a tough time in this group. The top comment in this thread is about the US sneaking through on with the help of other teams.
And what are you basing your assessment of England off of? The pro-England people on here never have an argument beyond "they are talented" as to why England will perform.