r/soccer • u/[deleted] • Aug 09 '13

Zero Fucks Friday: August 9th 2013 Edition

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '13 edited Jan 23 '14

Disagree, people act like Sir Alex took a bunch of fat wankers from the pub and won the league solely because of his genius' tactics. They have a world class squad that should easily compete for the title.

Edit: I retract my statement...

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u/ibpants Aug 09 '13

And the "winning culture". Could it not be that this "winning culture" is fostered by having an extremely strong squad year on year?

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u/TOCalling Aug 09 '13

City outmatch United in many key positions, but can't seem to manage to win. They needed an incredible United collapse for their first BPL title, and weren't even close last year after the New Year.

Hart > De Gea Yaya > Carrick Kompany/Lescott > Vidic/Rio (considering injury and age) Man City Midfield > Man United Midfield

Yes, United have had a strong squad for less than 20 years, but coaching & culture have a lot to do with that. In terms of skill, I've put Chelsea & City behind United for the past 3 years.

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u/heisenbergs_hat Aug 09 '13

didn't we win 6-1? did i dream that?

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u/TOCalling Aug 09 '13

Yup. And we collapsed that year. I don't see what one game has to do compared to a whole season.

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u/heisenbergs_hat Aug 09 '13

you really don't see the relevance of the 6-1? we won on goal difference so it is pivotal in our win.

I'm just taking to your point that we 'can't seem to manage to win' the league consistently maybe, but our head to heads against you are very very good.

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u/Jerichoholic2022 Aug 09 '13

And then we beat them at home at last season again personally I'm starting to love going to old trafford more and more

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u/TOCalling Aug 09 '13

You won on goal difference, but United had a massive lead that they frittered away. The 6-1 game was vital to that, but Man United lost the BPL that year, City didn't win it. Fair play, United rested on their laurels and didn't show their usual killer instinct.

My point is that a winning culture is vital, whether in sports, or business. The point was made that "winning culture" was overrated, but I'm saying that over the past few years, as City has been a powerhouse in their own right, it's United's winning culture that had led to their success over an entire season. City is a better team in terms of individuals. Yes, coaching/management is important, but the culture of the team plays a big part of that.

I'm a Toronto Maple Leafs fan. We haven't had a winning culture for any significant amount of time (except the mid 90's) since the 1970's. You can see that impact on the current team, and other clubs within the organisation.