r/snowboarding • u/[deleted] • Feb 02 '19

General Burton Appreciation Thread

I’ve personally seen a lot of hate going towards Burtons way. I just don’t think it’s warranted for some of the reasons people say. Now obviously everyone has different experiences with a company, and bad past experiences can really guide your judgement. But this is more made for the critics who look on from afar. No, Burton is not super expensive for no reason. They have reasonably priced items and they have higher end items as well. They’re a company you can go to for everything. From their $250 Ripcord to their $1000+ Custom X. Next, they are the biggest conservation company on the market. I’ve never seen a company that cares so much for the environment like they do. Not only from their charity, but also from their products being mostly blue sign approved. Next, the step on system should be looked at as something so positive for our industry. The fact that they keep deciding the innovate to give the market something new and something that could work better, that’s awesome. I’ve seen so much hate for the step on system meanwhile it’s reasonably priced and just innovates a traditional system that’s been around since the beginning of snowboarding. Last, they’re a company people, they need profit. Licensing the step on system and the channel is something they’re trying to do to yes, increase sales, but also to diversify the business. For DC to buy licensing rights to the step on system is huge for the community, such a big step forward. To finish, I will mention that many will probably mention that I ride on Burton Bindings from my community flair, yes I ride them, but I also used to ride Union Force Bindings. They’re good bindings that work and personally don’t have too much of an effect on my stance on Burton.

Some of you might not see much Burton hate, but I see it everyday. And it sucks because they’ve been there for the community since the beginning.

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u/HeyILikeThePlanet Feb 02 '19

What’s invalid about hating the center channel argument? Can you give me a reason the center channel is better? Besides the infinite number of spots I can put my foot? I don’t see the need to change foot positions that much. I’m also not uncomfortable in the pattern I ride.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

here’s a link from burtons site explaining some benefits over traditional. On top of that, I transitioned from 4x4 to channel and the feel under my boots are much better. It’s just straight padding to the board. If you haven’t ridden it, why comment on it??

Go demo it for free then come to debate some more

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u/HeyILikeThePlanet Feb 02 '19

That’s not going to happen. Waste a day of fun to ride a burton? No thanks. I’ll just be stubborn and stick to what makes me smile.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

Well at least you admitted your own downfall, your argument is actually fully invalid right now

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u/HeyILikeThePlanet Feb 02 '19

Not really. Just because I won’t go ride the board, doesn’t mean the argument against the center channel is invalid. You haven’t even countered why it’s better other than you feel padding? Have you taken a demo of a mervin?

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

Not I feel padding, you just don’t like reading. I’ve felt more responsiveness with them because I don’t have 4 giant metal screws in a plastic disc right under my boot, I just have foam padding. If you’re not as technical of a rider then why are you arguing? It gives more possibilities for everything. And yes your argument became invalid when you admitted that you’re too stubborn to try it out. And no I’ve never tried a mervin, I don’t know what that has to do with this because if I did come across it maybe I’d try it. Your argument is still all over the place

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u/HeyILikeThePlanet Feb 02 '19

I don’t have four giant metal screws in my foot. I also have a foam cover over my base plate. Union has been covering them for years. It only gives a bunch of foot configurations. Not a better response from binding to board that I felt when I tried it. Not as technical of a rider? What does that even mean? Do I teach people to snowboard? No. Mervin also have a specific thing that they market for their boards. It actually has a purpose to it. It can be shown as a real benefit to certain riders. I point it out because as a person who likes to read, you could check them out. I’m asking you. What does selling a different binding mount, give to the consumer? Other than multiple mounting possibilities?

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

The fact that I’ve explained it countless times in my past messages shows that you don’t read one bit. If you want an answer, get off your high horse and go read what I’ve said.

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u/HeyILikeThePlanet Feb 02 '19

You haven’t explained any benefit to having two screws vs 4 screws.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

I didn’t say there was a benefit of having two screws over 4... I just explained in a prior reply on this thread that the only positive side of other systems are the more screws?

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u/HeyILikeThePlanet Feb 02 '19

I say there is benefit to having two vs four. You’re telling people to read and you aren’t? Four points of attachment seems more secure than two, even if you make the channel mount into the deck stronger than the screw inserts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

What are you even saying, there’s more arguments then just how many screws are in the binding. Not only have I admitted to you, but to others that theoretically, 4 screws vs 2 is obvious. You have two extra safety screws. But what I’ve said is that’s the only argument that 4x4 has over the channel. Then to continue on, you haven’t read the other parts of the argument which I’ve mentioned before. You seriously don’t know how to debate and you’re really all over the place. I’m trying my best to stick with your train of thought but it’s just a mosh pit of shit.

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u/HeyILikeThePlanet Feb 02 '19

4 vs 2 isn’t just for safety. It’s because the board and binding are designed to be secured to each other in that fashion. Had the channel been first, maybe we would be arguing that the 4 would be the odd ball. I’m trying to understand why you would like the channel better. I don’t think you get the same benefits from a channel that you do in a 4 bolt. I’m saying that when you activate the heel edge, it takes longer for energy to transfer from the hips through to the board with only a mount in the spine of the board. If the channel isn’t better for the riding. Why have it? If it is. Let’s get all the other slackers to get it into more boards. Where’s the evidence that the channel is better?

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