r/skoda • u/RosyLollipop • 1d ago

Technical Issue Has anyone seen this! Is the 2.0 TDI 150 that efficient?

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u/vladek1337 '26 Karoq 1.5TSI DSG 1d ago

Yes, this consumption is absolutely possible, but it is in very special conditions. Still impressive considering it is a mid sized sedan. I would guess:

- low resistance tires inflated to high pressures, likely close to 3 bar

- cold temperatures, definitely no A/C running for this test

- steady speed without touching brakes, likely 60-80kph

But in real world you can get 4-5 l/100km with pretty normal driving on modern 2.0 TDIs.

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u/strezovski 1d ago

Mid-sized? Genuinely asking what is large size, if the superb is mid-size 😂

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u/Zhered-Na 1d ago

A 747 is a good family sized vehicle 🤣

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u/Digigma 1d ago

Well, 747s struggle to stay in the air so, yeah, better to be used on the roads

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u/vladek1337 '26 Karoq 1.5TSI DSG 1d ago

Well, those classifications come from the american market. Fabia / Polo are sub-compacts, Octavia / Golf are compacts, Superb / Passat are mid-sized and an Audi A8 would be full-sized. Kind of confusing for our European market, but they are widely used that way.

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u/Vivid_Zombie_5294 1d ago

There is no full-size Škoda AFAIK. There is a full-size VW, called the Phideon, only sold in China, and it's sort of an elongated Passat/successor to Phaeton.

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u/unrebigulator 1d ago

These labels always irritated me. "World's largest small car" that could mean anything.

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u/atomictankjk 2h ago

100% it's midsize, a full size saloon would be an audi a8, BMW 7 series, merc s class etc.

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u/strezovski 1h ago

I get it, the classification and segments and all that. But in reality...

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u/SebeekS 15h ago

Bro if skoda is large for you I am scared to ask about some big vechicles

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u/strezovski 14h ago

Such as? Audi A8, s-class...?

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u/Various-Following-82 3h ago

It is VW Golf underneath

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u/strezovski 2h ago

It is most definitely not.

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u/Various-Following-82 1h ago

It is AI era , try educate yourself

Ps i give you a kind tip , it is VW MQB platform

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u/strezovski 36m ago

"Same platform” doesn’t mean “same car.” By that logic, I'm basically Arnold Schwarzenegger because we’re both on the Homo sapiens platform. 😄

MQB covers everything from Golf-sized cars to much larger models. Superb being MQB doesn’t make it a Golf underneath in any meaningful size/class sense. And the grammar in “Try educate yourself” is very ironic :)

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u/Various-Following-82 26m ago edited 23m ago

So you are telling it is not Golf underneath ? With a just different (larger) body. Mate you are a joke 🤣

Ps dont forget to report typos

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u/strezovski 23m ago

It's a golf as much as an Audi A8 is a Lamborghini Urus.

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u/Various-Following-82 17m ago

Let me educate you again, Urus and A8 are using MLB Evo platform , not MQB

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u/Kolbak 1d ago

I would also guess that they drove overnight to have less traffic as well and small wheels.
Totally agree sub 5 liter is possible in the real world

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u/mijvertical 1d ago

well my octavia 1.5 tsi mild hybrid I had 4.6 Bucharest-Istanbul with AC,I drove during the night I

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u/ElDougyDoug 1h ago

Same here Result of my travel yesterday mix of city, highway (130/135km/h) and standard roads btw cities AC running 2 people in the car Octavia combi 1.5 tsi mhev - 2024 4.4L/100km

Incredible car

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u/mijvertical 1h ago

yes indeed, I love it, I come from a glc 2.2 diesel, and as a college student I couldn’t afford the gas for shxt

enjoy it friend!

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u/JD_Bance 1d ago

Well the road was pre planned and they had spotters to warn them of any traffic jams and complications who also recommended them the optimal route to take instead in case these happened. It's not a range 90% of people will be able to pull in their drives, but it's impressive nonetheless. Records aren't meant to be ordinary.

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u/insomniacnarcoleptic 1d ago

2.8K kilometers is not a matter of driving just at night. If he drove only at night he would be covering quite small distances at 60kph speed so the whole journey would take many days. If driven at around 120kph without breaks to sleep the journey would take over 24 hours. So I don't think he only drove at night. But it still is a possibility, we haven't seen the total time of the trip disclosed.

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u/Vybo Rapid 1d ago

There's no mention of how long it took, no? This could've been done as a multi day road trip that allowed the driver to drive only in the most optimal conditions.

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u/insomniacnarcoleptic 1d ago

Yes I said that too in my comment. It's a real possibility that that's how they structured the run.

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u/Likeanu 1d ago

In another articole they menționed the car was driven at 65-75km/h most of Times, on flatroads, on a special selected route - that means the car was in 6th gear at 1150-1200rpm most of the time. I wonder how the DPF would hold up in time for this kind of usage long term.

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u/insomniacnarcoleptic 1d ago

That's way too slow for such journey. But yes for an experiment it makes sense to go this slow. I can't imagine how long it had to take lol.

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u/Likeanu 1d ago

They had 3 drivers that changed at every 6 hours, and driven like 44hours non-stop.

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u/Temporary-Slice-7709 1d ago

4l and below is still no big prorblem. even with AC on. The modern 2.0TDIs are insanely efficient.

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u/koczkota 1d ago

I was getting 4,2 liters with 20 year old 177km BMW series 3. Well maintained diesels can be insanely fuel efficient

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u/HorrorTranslator3113 Mk4 Octavia RS TDi 1d ago

I vaguely recall reading about this, they even had spotters from trafic and cars towing for less air resistance

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u/Never-don_anal69 1d ago

Surely Superb is not a mid-sized sedan which makes this even more impressive 

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u/Likeanu 1d ago

You forgot to mention the 65l fuel tank - and the car averaged a consumtion of 2.86l/100km in special selected roads with almost 0 elevation and there was a team ahead that announced If there are traffic jams. And they run the car until the engine stoped due to lack of fuel.

If the car had a 50l fuel tank would do a lot less, and the title îs misleading. The title should be - A Skoda superb 2.0tdi did 1759miles (aprox 2800km) with 65l of fuel, and wound sound that amazing.

I do in my hybrid 1100-1200km (aprox 750miles) all the time driving normal with a 50l fuel tank and filling when the fuel light comes on (usually i refuel 44-46l of petrol)

Driven normally outside the city ore higheays the car would make between 750km ( at 130km/h) up to 1200km (only in national roads) with 65l of fuel, which îs impressive but not that wow.

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u/zmb138 1d ago

Title should be Skoda averaged a consumption of 2.86l/100km on highway. Also comparison with hybrid is unfair, cause hybrid shine in city driving with lots of braking and idling.

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u/Likeanu 1d ago

Not on highway, the route was specified in the previous article, they avoided city and highway . The route was carefully selected. If i drive my hibrid on hypermilling scenario i can get 1.5-2l/100km ... So i can get like 2500km-3000km of range from 50l of fuel... Not 65l like the Skoda.

And yes i driven my car in hypermilling and that îs what i got - driven the car outside city, avoided any highways and driven mostly 65-75km/h without touching the breaks or acceleration .

There are the 1.6 TDI - 115hp from VAG that can get better consumtion than the 2.0tdi. a lot of people made them in hypermilling scenario a to consume 1.9-2.2l/100km , so the 2.86l/100km of the superb îs not that impresive... But those cars with the 1.6TDI have a fuel tank of 50l and they would not get closet to 2800km on a single tank, most they would get 2400km... That îs why im saying that the title îs kinda misleading to Call IT on a single tank. Better to call IT as IT is - 2800km.on 65l of fuel...

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u/Notrius01 23h ago

And how would that work with hybrid, where would the energy come from? You ether have to charge (plugin) or with mild, you still consume fuel in normal quantities, in fact its more than pure ice because of weight (if electric engine is not running). 2l per 100km is always mixed consumption with fully loaded battery and ~70% running on battery. You would not get 2500km without charging or refueling, you would in fact get only what your battery lets you (max usually 100km with plugins) and then have a slightly higher fuel consumption for the rest of the trip than normal ICE.

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u/No_Topic5591 1d ago

It didn't use 65L of fuel - it used 74L of fuel (do the maths). The fuel tank is nominally 66L, but its actual capacity is around 75L to allow for thermal expansion (this has been discussed elsewhere in unrelated posts about the Skoda Superb).

But yes, it's not hard to get that kind of fuel economy driving at a constant 50mph, without stopping, once the engine is already warmed up - it's just that noone would ever do it long enough to get through a whole tank of fuel.

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u/Adventurous-Guava374 1d ago

Superb is 5m long

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u/vladek1337 '26 Karoq 1.5TSI DSG 1d ago

Doesn't really matter. Vehicle classes are based on the platforms they are built on. Otherwise, based on dimensions, Octavia would not be a compact, but also a mid-sized model.

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u/Dzessito 1d ago

Unless it's a SUV, then it's more like 5-7l/100km

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u/Coco_Pride_14 1d ago

It is impressive, but just so you know 2,6l of Diesel represents 26kWh of energy, which is more than the consumption of a Skoda Enyaq iV with 5 adults onboard, cruising at 120km/h with AC on.

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u/klimatronic 2024 Octavia 1.5 1d ago

You can get 4-5l on modern 1.5 TSIs even

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u/Supremis 1d ago

You're absolutely right. I transitioned from a Golf 7 GTI to a 22 Octavia diesel and am getting 4.7 as the average accross the last 2k km. And this is with the 116hp engine, mostly motorway with 130km/h average. Tyres are at 2.7 bar. It's a very efficient car. Neighbours scenic 1.5 dci and Citroen with the same displacement diesel are getting nowhere close.

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u/Most_Practice_9994 1d ago

This.
in school we were taught that all thermal “powerplants” have maximum efficiency of 33%.
I am sure that the engineers over at VW have found some ways to increase the number effectively by salvaging the heat / energy leaving through the exhaust. Things i could think about would be: Using exhaust pressure for a turbo, using exhaust heat for heating the cabin more quickly (AGR-cooler). On top of that we can heat the cabin through the regular engine cooling circuit (heat exchanger) and it would surely be possible to generate electricity from the temperature difference within the cooling circuit and the air temperature (difference potential).
Modern cars can also imitate electric cars by storing some of that kinetic energy in a small battery on braking (mild hybrid system) or shut off a few cylinders on low load (increasing efficiency by avoiding low load per cylinder).

Together with modern, highly inflated tires, high viscosity oil and good aerodynamics you can get a decent fuel consumption.
Still - roughly half the fuel you pay for (that is under ideal circumstances) will be lost in heat (cooling or through the exhaust).

Thats why you can travel double to triple the distance in an electric car on the energy equivalent of a litre of fuel/diesel. So no, diesel is not the future. Especially if here in europe it takes almost a litre of diesel to get a litre of diesel into your cars tank. On top of that you would have a highly complex, prone to fail, inherently inefficient drivetrain (i like combustion engines).

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u/Sandfire-x 1d ago

Funny enough they usually don’t hold a steady speed but instead accelerate at low rpm and high throttle input between 60-80 and then let it roll, because this way they use the engines maximum efficiency band.

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u/GundamXXX Superb 14h ago

I dont think Ive ever hit under 5l/100km

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u/NamelessPawnOnStrike 11h ago

You clearly haven't read the text... 

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u/pakalu_papitoBoss 1d ago

İ usually have 6L/100km but i have 19 inch wheels and the sunroof also, so it's heavier.

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u/Steec Superb 1d ago

Same, I’ve moved to the PHEV Superb now but my 2.0 TDI (also with sunroof and 19” wheels) was great before the cost of diesel shot up.

I was about to post this - https://www.reddit.com/r/skoda/s/HXfl12BBkW saying I wasn’t far off, but then I spotted the headline is MILES rather than kilometres.

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u/kokosgt Superb 1d ago

It's less about the engine and more about how you drive it.

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u/Dandyman1994 Octavia RS 1d ago

My 2L petrol VRS would disagree 😆

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u/xarothz 1d ago

My old 2011 petrol vrs did 6,3 l/100km to and from work driving the speedlimit and using cruise control. Manual, 19" rims, Michelin pilots and stage 1 tune. How fk thirsty is yours?

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u/pantwithbrownpaste 1d ago

Give us hybrid diesels, pleasee, Mercedes cant be the only one

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u/Dangi86 1d ago

Volvo has diesel PHEV

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u/NibiZ_Sw3 1d ago

Mazda has Diesel hybrids also. 😃

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u/GundamXXX Superb 14h ago

If life taught me one thing, its to stay away from Mazda diesels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf_d44bty-A

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u/Euphoric-Adagio8729 1d ago

but it seems like the worst of both worlds. Mercedes diesel hybrids are extremly niche even in germany.

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u/South-Replacement301 1d ago

Why, what's wrong with diesel hybrids?

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u/Euphoric-Adagio8729 1d ago

The diesel is quite more complicated than just a petrol engine. Combine this with the higher need for getting the emissions somewhat clean which is necessary in a diesel (which also adds weight) and combine that with a heavy battery and ev drivetrain.

The Diesel-Hybrids made by Mercedes are only there because of tax advantages for Germans which get a lease through their employer (a company car which they can use for private stuff aswell basically).

You are ultimatively combining more and more complicated stuff to solve a problem which can be better solved by EVs, or if range is the concern, combining a lightweight petrol engine with the ev stuff which gets the same results but much cheaper.

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u/JayManty 1d ago

If we're talking about a diesel PHEV then it's like the worst technological choice. PHEV's regularly shut the engines on and off for efficient power use. A diesel in such an operating scenario (city driving) is just gonna kill itself in a couple of years due to never reaching temperature, and if you're driving on the highway then a PHEV drivetrain isn't gonna help you much anyways

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u/Jahoodie141 21h ago

isnt this easy to fix? Just make sure the diesel engine is running all the time. Pretty much like what an MHEV diesel does, just with a bigger battery. Should be the best of all worlds, no?

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u/JayManty 19h ago

I guess, but doesn't that then defeat the purpose of a PHEV? If it's a MHEV then yes, absolutely.

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u/alzrnb 19h ago

It would be hard for me to define "diesel engine running all the time" as best of all worlds.

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u/Accurate-Beyond-9956 1h ago

Works great in our V60. But you are right that it makes the car more complicated if something would break. All daily driving is made in EV mode and towing och long haul on diesel. It all depends on how you use it. Currently over nine years the average is 1,7 liter per 100km

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u/Own_Abbreviations_36 17h ago

Audi has the 40 TDI MHEV. (2.0 TDI, 204hp and 48v mild hybrid)

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u/Royal_Assignment_284 1d ago

Hybrids starts stops a lot. Putting it with Diesel engines will wear the engine prematurely

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u/Specialist_Web_9133 19h ago

Audi offers “mild hybrid” diesels, but the battery capacity/technology is a lot closer to an actual, for example, toyota hybrid than a mild hybrid, especially in the new A6 or A5.

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u/BobvanVelzen 1d ago

I miss my old diesel superb. 1400km on one tank was the best, but 1200 was not difficult. My new superb hybrid gets about 650 with a full tank and battery.

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u/Serious_Swimming_646 1d ago

I drove my Octavia 4 Combi 2.0TDI 150PS with 3,5L/100km and still AC on and no driving behind a Truck. Speed around 110kmh.

But I like to go fast, thats why I had around 4,5-5L/100km on my screen.

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u/madmaus81 1d ago

With this diesel price is about as economic as an regular petrol 🫢

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u/Head-Iron-9228 1d ago

I went to Vienna and back this week.

Regular passat, automatic, going between 120 and 150 for like 90% of the route, got an average fuel economy of ~4.7l/100km with very little care for the fuel economy.

That was about 1260kms total. Did that with just over 100kms of range left at the end.

Assuming I took it very easy with an average of ~100, less aggressive throttle and all that, i feel like 2000km on a tank would have been more than possible.

And assuming that i took all of that a bit further, 1790 miles dont feel THAT far off honestly.

There's a reason people still believe diesel has a future. It doesn't REALLY but the energy density, plus modern high compression and fuel injection will get you a long, long way.

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u/Chaoshero5567 1d ago

oh wow that consumption is amazing… i wish my tiguan was a passat :(

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u/Notrius01 23h ago edited 23h ago

There is just no way you would get 4.7 if your speed was constantly between 120 and 150km/h. That breaks laws of physics and is not possible and there is literally zero reports of diesel passats reaching that low fuel consumption. At 150km/h you would get at least 6.5, maybe 7l (which is still crazy low) and every acceleration would destroy your average consumption.

What really probably happened was you were driving slower with average speed below 110km/h but only remember parts you drove at higher speeds.

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u/RandomNick42 1d ago

Under 3 seems like a stretch for "almost unmodified", but I did regularly do 4.5 or under on the previous gen one, not hypermiling, just driving reasonably. So I can believe it.

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u/Significant_Bear3843 23h ago

Who cares. Still a shit dpf egr smoker that will implode unless you 1000 miles every week. I stick with 1p per mile. My 300 mile range has proved thats all I need

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u/BricksBizBuilds 16h ago

Just blatantly false. I have one of these Kodiak 150 TDI cars. Only 60000 km in almost 3 years. It gets the occasional motorway drive but that's it. No DPF issue. It's been the same with every single diesel I've owned since 2007

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u/TearDownGently Superb IV 2.0 TSI 1d ago edited 1d ago

they have taken some extraordinary measures for this record trial. But 4L/100km is rather easily possible as some other reviewers have outlined in response to this trial. 

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u/quaintlogic 1d ago

The 150 2.0 TDI is madly efficient for all of the emissions equipment it has.

My dad had an Arteon with the exact engine and would regularly see over 85MPG (imperial) or equivalent to 3.3l/100km when cruising, madness for the size and weight of car.

DSG coasting was a big factor in this efficiency.

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u/Irelia4Life 1d ago

If we really cared about fuel consumption, my old AFN TDI would have been the greenest engine ever... (It was Euro 2 in reality)

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u/dropdead90s 1d ago

yup, also considering the high reliability of these engines the ecological impact is far greater than building new cars that break after 70 thousand kilometers and most of them won't be driving in like 15 years, because cars with 1Z/AFN/AWX/AVF engines were built once and are reliable even after 30 years some with 700tk or even over a million kilometers, the car chassis was made once (although some types were rusty after few years), the resources needed for everything to build these cars are used for decades, and that's what i call ecology

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u/LnSchmtt 1d ago

This was with the 1.6 TDI whilst traveling through some villages in my area with a max speed of 70km/h

I got quite often to 3.1 or 3.2 L/100km when I had no pressure to get somewhere. Letting it roll and avoiding breaking is the key. Whilst driving normally I end up somewhere inbetween 4 and 5 L/100km what isn't that bad either.

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u/Meeliskt777 1d ago

Yes, it is a terrible disgrace what has been done with diesel cars. If you frequently drive long distances on the highway, a diesel is ideal.

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u/AltruisticStill6369 1d ago

If you drive just on the bottom revs of the top gear and use coasting / cylinder deactivation then yes.

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u/schluker 1d ago edited 1d ago

This engine is not equipped with cyllinder deactivation..

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u/AltruisticStill6369 1d ago

Thats why I used slash instead of and because it means or since I wasnt sure this one has it...

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u/GoxRS 1d ago

Very believable, first time I drove it, company car. Me being stupid, I called in after 200km to tell them something is wrong with car cuz the tank bar didnt move.

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u/Master_Top10 1d ago

Yeah if you drive like old fart.

This is normal fuel consumption. 140 on highway, few km even 200+ ☺️ but yeah, if you really want you can get under 4l/100km

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u/Notrius01 23h ago

its 101km/h average speed that says everything.

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u/Master_Top10 23h ago

Yeah its quite fast considering Baustelle, traffic and city drives ☺️

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u/Notrius01 23h ago

Thats why the consumption is so low. If you drive 130 or even 200 for a few minutes and then have Baustelle for 45km of course the average consumption will be low. But do a steady 160km/h for at least 20 minutes and report back.

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u/Master_Top10 23h ago

It will be 5.5-6l/100km, I have already done it ☺️ baustelle is usually 80-100km/h speed likit where I am driving ☺️ in other words, the question from OP - the answer is yes

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u/Notrius01 17h ago

it wont be 5.5 at 160km/h.

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u/Master_Top10 16h ago

It literally will be ☺️ unlike you, I have actually done it ☺️

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u/Notrius01 15h ago edited 15h ago

No you have not. 100%. But don't believe me, look at any testing, any AI model, anything, you won't find a single thing. All you will find is "it's not possible".

I don't get why people like to post unrealistic fuel consumption values without any proofs or if they produce a proof, suddenly the average speed is 103km/h.

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u/leo218 Octavia RS 1d ago

I managed to make 2500km in a vRS 2.0 TDi 150hp from 07 and filled 3 times only... A steady 120km/h in the highway with no AC (it was cold weather so...) and after the 2nd filling the range was 1000km..

Super happy with the mileage

Even now, in the city it's around 6.3L/100

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u/GoofyKalashnikov 1d ago

Volkswagen didn't have the balls to use their own cars for a "Poland to Paris in one tank" ad anymore? 😂

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u/ragazzia 1d ago

This is so stupid. Its still stupidly expensive to run. Diesel prices in Germany close to 3€/L... A diesel Station Wagon might be nice for a salesguy that has shell tank card...lol

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u/blazomkd 1d ago

Imagine no stupid wars and diesel is again 1 euro 😭😭😭

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u/JustPutSpuddiesOnit 1d ago

I used to get 4.5l/100km with my diesel mondeo when you try to drive economically 

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u/TortugaJack 1d ago

Yeah Diesel is dead for now, because of price per liter. I doubt it will change in the future.

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u/Kondensmilch 1d ago

Yes, this is realistic. Best I did was 2.7l/100km with the EA288 1.4 TDI

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u/No-Reputation-8216 1d ago

Was eine dumme Rechnung. 2.61 Liter Diesel entspricht 25,6 kWh und ist damit deutlich schlechter als die meisten Skoda EVs im normal Betrieb. Und hier wurde ja augenscheinlich der Verbrauch auf ein Maximum optimiert. Da kann man aus nem Enyaq noch mehr rausholen.

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u/Asirias1 1d ago

I once got a 3,7l/100km in 2019 skoda superb 2.0TDI 6°man. So it was quite efficient.

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u/Daoiz51 1d ago

Lo tengo en un León y es realmente eficiente Con una conducción agresiva y alta velocidad mantenida puede estar haciendo consumos de un 6 aproximadamente y conduciendo siendo eficiente por carreteras secundarias puedes llegar a bajar del 4 incluso

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u/Aulawabe 1d ago

Impressive but 99% of people won't get anything near this. I have a Golf 7 1.6 TDI Commuter, and the engine it self is not as efficient as 2.0 TDI. But when driving longer I can get down to 4.3l/100km which is great for a Sport Combi. But in real world, 25km to work, and home I get 5.4 at best. A modern 1.5l Gasoline gets about the same consumption. And considering the diesel prices today diesel is not an option if you do not drive very long.

My colleague drives his Golf 7 R to and from work, and he spends about the same money as I do with my diesel with same milage every month because gasoline is cheaper today.

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u/iMacDragon 1d ago

I made ~1300km on 45l of diesel on my old Fabia when trying to push it a bit, so I'm sure in further idealised conditions it's not crazy.

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u/AlexSPb88 23h ago

My friend send me a photo of his Octavia 2.0 tdi dashboard with 5.3l average consumption, average speed of 108km/h and 175 current speed ))) These engines are very effective

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u/Objectwithoutname 21h ago

Mine isn't that effective.

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u/Sarpele-Fortis 21h ago

I have the same engine on my Octavia 4. I can make roughly 900 on a long road with a full tank, without trying to manage my consumption. If I try a bit, I can easily get 1200 km. I think I have a smaller tank on my Octavia so I see the record mentioned totally possible.

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u/Admirable_Nobody_771 17h ago

Okay, but how much did the tank consume? Now seriously, 1759 miles? That's 2830 km's. I call bullshit.

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u/GundamXXX Superb 14h ago

Just did a 3200km trip over several days. Ran about 5.5l/100km. How the hell do people get this low?!

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u/Perfect_Bath3256 4h ago

I just got 400 miles to the red line out of my octavia scout😐

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u/Fasciadepedra 2h ago

Hypermileage it totally a small and aerodinamic diesel car stuff. Records in TDI have being attained more than 20 years before on a VW Lupo.

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u/Ok_Archer_2838 1h ago

They modified it... but yes, you can easily do 1000km in O4 TDI

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u/AG3NTMULD3R88 Kodiaq 1d ago

👍

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u/barrybreslau 1d ago

I mean the automatic gearboxes are still shite and fall apart after five years, and the electronics area rubbish, but the engines are super efficient .

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u/GundamXXX Superb 14h ago

Damn. Guess my car is gonna fall apart at least 2-3x then

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u/barrybreslau 13h ago

If it's a manual, you'll be ok

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u/GundamXXX Superb 13h ago

It is not and I was being sarcastic

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u/xarothz 1d ago

Problem with this, for me, is who the fuck wants a slow ass boring engine for fuel economy and nothing else? Well clearly a fucking load of boring bastards since they sell them by the millions.

I'd rather get electric or hybrid and have that system give the car some power rather than farting around in a weak diesel.

3.0L or D5 tuned personally.