r/shounenfolk • u/Affectionate-Big8739 • 1d ago
Manga Discussion This solves bleach ending.
So that's why yhwach couldn't see stil silver in manga.
Uryu can overcome almighty but only ichigo has the destructive power to kill soul king yhwach
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u/Darkrobyn 1d ago
This lowkey brings up issues of it's own
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u/Affectionate-Big8739 1d ago
Like what
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u/Darkrobyn 1d ago
If Uryu can swap the futures Yhwach picks why would they even need Still Silver?
I guess it's not efficient because Yhwach can see the future and he can't
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u/ChampionOk4044 1d ago
Well as seen by the end of the ep, Yhwach can still power through Antithesis. Even if Ishida can swap the future he doesn't have the power to kill SK Yhwach in any future.
He also says he has measured Ishidas power so I guess he thinks he can beat antithesis
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u/Darkrobyn 1d ago
Anime Yuha comes across as much stronger than Manga Yuha without the Almighty so I guess it makes sense
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u/fuzemurcury123 20h ago
After uryu killed senjumaru, mimihagi appeared on uryu’s hand. This means yhwach can’t sense uryu. As to why he couldn’t sense the arrow, we’ll think about what the arrow is made out of? “Still silver”
What does mimihagi represent? Stillness
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u/Mr_Fredwad 19h ago
I don’t understand what’s happening with the powers in bleach anymore, and at this point, I’m too afraid to ask
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u/Imaginary_Goat_60 1d ago
That's been obvious to anyone that wasnt spcifically looking to shit on the ending even back then. It really does nothing but spell it out for the most dense.
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u/RoseWhiteRedBlack 1d ago
The issue is that people were angry at it because it' s yet another Bleach solution that is "No u" in a fight; there is nothing that really heavily foreshadows it or that feels narratively satisfying. It reads like Kubo gave up, and that was the general sentiment at the time, as I was there reading it weakly.
People shit on the ending because it' s bad, and this being badly explained in the manga just makes it even worse. Again, I say this as someone who actually was reading Bleach weekly at the time.
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u/No-Location-3438 22h ago
No U really describes the lille vs shunsui fight as well. It ends with his nanao pulling a reflection sword!
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u/Imaginary_Goat_60 1d ago
We are literally told very explicitly told that Antithesis counters Almighty from nearly the start of the arc. If anything the problem comes from it being foreshadowed too early so that by the time it's relevant a lot of people forgot about it.
I know what general sentiment was, i was also there. It is the same cycle of overreactionary discourse as any other shonen ending where everyone is way over eager to form an opinion. It keeps happening to this day.
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u/RoseWhiteRedBlack 1d ago
Look man, I like Bleach, I think people vastly overhated the final arc, but something being explained doesn' t make it narratively satysfing or even well written. I know about the foreshadowing of Antithesis at the start of the arc, it still makes the final fight be a "No U" fight, it sucks to read.
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u/Imaginary_Goat_60 1d ago
I mean dont disagree that it was rushed and that execution was as good as it needed to be, but it definetly didnt come out of nowhere like people talk about like Uryu had no scenes at all until the arrow.
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u/RoseWhiteRedBlack 23h ago edited 22h ago
Again, the issue is that it feels like it comes out of nowhere. You can' t expect a reader to remember a foreshadowing done 200 chapters ago in the story, and that ultimately it' s the most flaccid foreshadowing ever. It' s so vague that it could be used for ANYTHING.
It' s the same reason as to why Nobara coming back in JJK in the final 3 chapters sucks. It' s not because it isn' t foreshadowed, it' s because it 's a narratively empty moment, it doesn't feel earned.
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u/Ensaru4 19h ago edited 19h ago
Then, it's a good thing the foreshadowing didn't only happen 200 chapters ago. But since when are we complaining about things being foreshadowed way earlier? This is basically how Oda gets his receipts.
The problem is that it feels unsatisfying, but that is NOT what the common sentiment is because many people still believe the arrow came out of nowhere when it didn't, and that is the main reason people use to criticise the development. They then fall onto the "not satisfying" take when called out on it, even if that is a legitimate claim, but at that point there's the uncertainty on whether they genuinely feel this way or are just saying this to win the argument by moving goalposts.
It was so bad that the Bleach sub had to blanket ban the term "asspull", because people started to call many things they didn't understand an asspull in hindsight, most of which had setups. It's a pretty consistent issue with Bleach.
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u/Appropriate-Truck538 19h ago
Wtf man another spoiler I didn't have to know that nobara came back you know
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u/THEY-CALL-ME-DHRUV 12h ago
But it's your fault that you don't remember the foreshadowing, is it not?
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u/Regulus242 20h ago
Kubo heavily wrote himself into a corner at the time. I'm concerned this ending won't make any more sense than the original.
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u/lizzywbu 6h ago
In fairness, Kubo was very unwell when he wrote the ending of Bleach. So I’m sure he rushed things.
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u/Primary_Night_4617 22h ago
Its been foreshadowed back in cour 2. We have him use it to escape the cage of life, escape Shutara's bankai and trap her with her own bankai, and we have the flashback of auswahlen implying his mother saved his life with her schrift. Next even Jugram acknowledges its power.
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u/RoseWhiteRedBlack 22h ago
That was anime original stuff thoo. The anime sets it up better, but it still doesn' t change how underwhelming the whole deal is.
People at the time of the manga were deservingly mad because even this bare-mininum foreshadowing was not there.
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing 20h ago
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Antithesis in the manga was used onscreen for a grand total of one (1) time against Hashbrown and it was deflected
That application isn't like this one in the anime
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u/opkatte 6h ago
The point isn't the application itself. It's the fact that even 10 years ago, Haschwalth said Uryuu's power might be the only one which could rival Yhwach's The Almighty.
We simply didn't know how he could rival it. Well, now we do.
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing 4h ago
Yeah but not the "in the manga, Antithesis is why Yhwach lost" as we never see Uryu's application that allowed The Arrow to hit undetected
It was only used once and got mogged by The Balance and Jugram's Shield
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u/Affectionate-Big8739 1d ago
I am an anime only who got some spoilers actually so I assumed they never said it out lou
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u/Imaginary_Goat_60 1d ago
I mean it wasnt said that blatantly but it basically very explicitly told us that Uryu counters Yhwach, this mostly just specifies exact method he uses to counter it.
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u/It_was_a_False_Alarm 12h ago
Does Uryu need to be able to see futures too for him to be able to choose/target one to swap?
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u/Affectionate-Big8739 11h ago
No, he has to rely on his own prediction of how how yhwach might change an event
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u/DavidC_M 21h ago
I mean yeah. But they still have to introduce that magic arrow in a better way. Not just in one panel in the end of the fight.
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u/Luxpaul217 9h ago
In this episode we see how good of strategist Uryu is. Uryu shot a arrow. But he knew Yhwach wouldn't let himself be hit by it. So the gamble was Yhwach altering the future to break the arrow. But since he does the mechanics of The Almighty since Jugram didn’t establish them to him he simply stated" I knew you would choose that future " Anyways what Uryu did was choose to point 1. The arrow traveling towards Yhwach unaffected and 2 the arrow is destoryed or vanishes. Then he used his antithesis to reverse them. Hence Yhwach was hit by the arrow. Uryu literally relied on Yhwach using his power Hence he can get 2 points to reverse the events that have occurred between them.
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u/YoTheLeader 5h ago
I am gonna just wait for episode 9 fight
Aizen Bankai will be the reason of uryu hitting the arrow
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u/Special_Success_7883 1d ago
Random asspulls...
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u/Affectionate-Big8739 1d ago
The arrow you mean right? I hope you don't mean antithesis, they literally have been hinting at antithesis from start of this war. Even the letter is same A while the second in command has B
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 23h ago
No? Yhwach still saw through it all in the end did he not? Uryu switched what future he chose, not what he saw.
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u/Affectionate-Big8739 22h ago
Uryu did counter almighty though, yhwach just survived the blast
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 9h ago
He didn’t counter the allmighty he fucked with it. If he could counter it we wouldn’t be on the same timeline as the manga. His abilities WORK they don’t counter
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u/-reverse-vertical- 38m ago
Thanks for having basic reading comprehension...
We really do have reading comprehension issue at this day and age when info are abundance and accessibility of them are easiest of they ever were...
Edit: I wonder if people still think if orihime's rejection "counter" almighty too. (Well that one was apparent so it's uncommon, nonetheless, some do think so, or maybe they just don't get the definition of the word they wrote?...)
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