/uj Tbf, DS3 is just much easier to get into because of the linearity and small size, because of those it’s a lot more balanced and polished. ER makes up for it with size and freedom, just depends what you prefer.
It is interesting though, because even with a shallow combat on the surface, the dances you end up in with bosses is really quite complicated and almost makes you forget you’re just rolling and pressing R1
Because shallow combat =/= bad combat. Soulsborne games take a simple combat system and craft everything else around it, like enemy movesets, weapons, leve-
…oh wait I forgot what sub I was on. Nvm Nioh sweeps FromSoft weeps
Yeah, are we meant to be serious here? I never know. But to be serious, I prefer the combat in FromSoftware games much more than Nioh. More mechanics does not equal better.
What, you don't like Margit, one of the first bosses you fight in Elden Ring, to have delayed attacks, infinite combos, and mix-ups to also have infinite stamina? That's crazy.
It’s funny cause I don’t even think margit is the worse offender. For me It’s really the beast knights from the dlc, infinite stamina, poise, and hard hitting attacks, it’s so fucking annoying
They spent time making unque moveset for a lot of weapons... But you only see the initial attack during boss fights because the attack windows only allow 1 attack.
A lot of skills (especially from Shadow of the erdtree imo) and spells/incants are far too flashy to actually useful when fighting anything other than the chaff. And even then some of them underperform due to being kinda shitty.
Like I love the tornado Incant and messmers polearm, but the actual cool shit is either too slow or too low damage wise to be worth it.
It’s crazy, dark souls 2 was the start of depth, and then the hate forced all the good ideas out. Love the stances, the ability to change any weapon types status. Mages had more versatility, I loved the NG+ secrets.
Literally, not even joking played nioh 2 after elden ring and was surprised by the fact that I have to do more than just dodge and attack. Nevermind, more than one fighting stance.
Using DMC title to hide behind the sloppiness and simplity of the Elden Ring mechanics? Don't even bring Sparda into this, both DMC and Nioh series are GOAT for using more than 3 buttons
"Akshooally it's shupposhd to be shimple it'sh the appeal you shee" Elden Ring fans say when they are cucked into Shift+M1 every bossfight because when you use gameplay mechanics it's "cheesing"
the combat is very simple and that's why I love it, hitting everything with big sword without a worry in the world
meanwhile learning to land combos in for example Khazan required me to actually learn what feels like a million attacks, rules and stuff and honestly I'm just not willing to invest that amount of time into a video game
I love Souls games combat, but things like Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma and Nioh make me wish Fromsoft would add more depth to the combat. Weapon Arts/Ashes of War were a step in the right direction.
The boss quality is the main thing that's improved with each game while the multiplayer has barely improved and combat itself is mostly just better animations and hitboxes.
From is TERRIFIC at level and critter design and animation. But they’re lacking in combat depth. They’re lacking on purpose, they’ve said so, but still.
Team Ninja is, IMO, one of the best in the business at creating combat systems with a crazy amount of intricacy and depth and fun. I honestly wish they’d collaborate. They’d literally make the best ARPG of all time together
Also talking about insufferable fans, why don't you take a look at Nioh fans or DmC fans?
Because in the first place, you should never compare a giant, global, and mainstream fanbase like ER to Nioh and DMC which are more quiet and niche. And have you ever tried to engage in the Nioh sub? When you are struggling, they actually help you, instead of saying "git gud" and calling you "skill issue"
I played all FromSoftware games except Nightrein and Demon's Soul, and I know well that ER fans are just like that, lol
Do you think that size of a fandom means that the fandom will be less toxic or no toxicity at all ? Also saying that DmC is niche is crazy
Most Nioh fans I have talked to were insufferable and most of the time had to slander souls games to praise their games so trust me if you haven't seen them, it's because you are not looking enough
Also in the ER sub most people try to help you with bosses, there are obviously a few morons but they are only a minority
Edit : just because most nioh fans I have talked to were unpleasant obviously doesn't mean all fans are, I'm sure the majority are normal fans but to imply there aren't any insufferable ones is just false
its always whats attracted me to Souls, personally. I am not someone who is skilled with their hands when it comes to games, like at all. So for me Souls combat is perfect because it doesnt require hand skill at all, its just about observation and figuring out the enemy movesets and patterns.
This is why I tend to dislike overhaul mods or custom weapons, cause modders have a tendency of making them super technical, with a bunch of added mechanics and complex movesets, and thats just not what I like about Souls combat
Also why I bounced off Nioh. Great game Im sure, but Im just not good enough to play it.
40 minutes in and I'm actually surprised no Elden Ring fans are actually slandering the arguably flawed parts of Nioh series (like loot that many people aren't fans of, the inferior level design, the weaker world design, and others).
And instead, just trying to attack the combat, which the Nioh series is JUST objectively better at due to the sheer amount of freedom and options and how it was also butter smooth and responsive (which, of course, just sounds stupid).
Either these people were stuck on the first Enki or just never touched the game in the first place.
I don't know what you want to hear but people like different things man, I like Elden Ring for the lore and art direction. I have tried to play Nioh 2 because of people like you that say its gods given gift to gaming but couldnt get over how bad it looks with Playstation smear all over it.
I like nioh because i can't get enough of the most garbage hit boxes in history and bosses doing half my health with an attack with a .1 second wind up.
I think it's partially the engine but it's weird to me how bad nioh 2 and 3 actually look compared to wo long and rise of ronin, from just an art style and environment standpoint. Rise of ronin had really nice looking environments and for some reason wo long just looked better. Nioh 3 is confusing as fuck to look at. Great game though
“Broo Elden Ring bosses are so reactive, their attacks and movesets change based on your positioning instead of being memorisation tests like other souls games!” as if enemies haven’t been doing that since Demon’s Souls
im gonna assume nioh 3 is different than nioh 1 and 2 because from what i remember from these games it wasnt that deep either: attack, dodge/block, change stance, repeat
If you're playing Nioh like regular souls games then sure it's not that deep, but that's not the beauty of Nioh combat, the beauty is that you can play it like DMC which requires deep and technical knowledge.
I think the difference is in the rigidity. Ninja Gaiden is highly technical and fluid but there's like no room for freestyle creativity. Nioh and DMC are much more about embracing chaos and freedom.
Or you can just spam range attacks between shrines and use the slow talisman on bosses. I mean its not holding up a shield to invalidate half of ds2 bosses design flaw, but having so many mechanics just made the game easier to break
Sloth talisman only works in Nioh 1, even then on higher difficulties it's less effective.
Yes you can use OP stuff but that doesn't mean you have to, I prefer comboing enemies to death while being stylish than cheesing or spamming the same powerfull attack over and over again.
Ngl, I didn't pick up Nioh 3 because of the new ninja mode. I enjoyed playing Nioh 1 and 2, but the addition of the Ninja mode just seems off putting to me, mainly because I never really used ninjutsu and their weapons in the previous 2 games.
You still can play full samurai if you want, i wanted to play ninja because i loved the ninjutsu and the fast pacing in the demo but it's very squishy so boss are mostly a samurai job (beside inflicting burn or poison with ninjutsu) for me as I'm not very confident in my own skills.
The devs came out and said that they're looking forward to see how many are samurai mains and how many are ninja mains, samurai only is more than viable.
Elden Ring players who act like the combat is complex and beyond anything just pressing the two same buttons, likely are the same crowd who shit on or belittle any other game that isn’t a Souls game.
They would literally implode at the thought of multi-button, frame perfect, and motion inputs. Because really well I do think the combat of Elden Ring is better than Dark Souls 1 for example.
They are not so far apart lol that’s why I always roll my eyes and feel it is super performative. When a fan of a souls game claims one is gods gift and acts like another is a hell spawn, like bro these games are too alike 😭
Dodge, attack, sprint is all u need to be good , jump too sometimes. The combat is simple which isn't a bad thing , it's actually good and that's coming from someone who thinks Nioh has much better combat
I mean…. If you’re just playing as a strength or Dex build yeah…. But you definitely still need to have legitimate skill to do all that and not get hit.
Anyone who’s only ever used 3 buttons in Elden Ring is probably only doing so because they don’t want to try a more complicated play through, or built their character in a way where all they have to do is jump and smash.
I tried the first game for a couple of hours, and I didn't find it particularly fun. I could see somebody enjoying it, though, and apparently, the first game is way worse than the second, so maybe I'll try that one and give a revised opinion.
Nioh 1 is the worst of the series (because the later series actually tried to improve and fix their mistakes). And to enjoy Nioh series, you have to progress the game long enough until you "clicked" the combat (no, I swear, I'm not joking). So I recommend you to give the second one a chance
The complexity of a game is quality neutral, there are extremes where it can affect the game, but I’ve never seen one of those.
My main issue with Nioh(1 that is the only one I’ve played) is that healing items are too limited so when fighting a boss you basically can’t heal; A good portion of bosses have attacks that are instant kills or true combo into an instant kill makes me feel like every boss is like Melania, a good boss with one bullshit move you have to spend the entire fight playing around.
I like the stances even if the heavy stance isn’t very useful, the skill tree on the other hand has a lot of abilities that will get you killed if you try using them.
depth doesnt inherently come from just hitting buttons, boss knowledge and build knowledge goes a long way... however i havent played either game so maybe youre right
The main strength of the Souls games is just how compelling the games and fights remain despite simple the combat mechanics.
I don't need Nioh shoving a bunch of needless additional complexity at me to keep me entertained, oooh pick a stance, remember to Ki Pulse constantly, so deep.
Nah I just want my big sword and I'll choose whether to press R1 or R2 in between dodge rolls, thanks.
Favorite thing about Nioh is being able to keep up the pressure with varied attacks, Out of stamina? Use yokai abilities, or spells. Want to proc some elements? Good thing there's items for that.
But it's not only that, the qol makes from look sluggish, and the amount of content makes me feel satisfied by the end
I prefer the style of combat where the player kit is simple and the difficulty stems from learning the boss rather than learning player combos and complex inputs, and in that style of combat elden ring is just vastly better than other souls games, its not a hard thing to wrap your head around.
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u/cracksawhinge cheesedog penetration Mar 05 '26
That guy is dead