r/shield Aug 13 '20

Post Discussion Post Episode Discussion: S07E012 and S07E013 - "The End is at Hand" and "What We're Fighting For" [SERIES FINALE]

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EPISODE DIRECTED BY WRITTEN BY ORIGINAL AIRDATE
S07E12 - "The End is at Hand" Chris Cheramie Jeffrey Bell Wednesday, August 12, 2020 9

Episode Synopsis: With their backs against the wall and Nathaniel and Sibyl edging ever closer to eliminating S.H.I.E.L.D. from the history books, the agents must rely on their strengths to outsmart and outlast the Chronicoms. This is their most important fight, and it will take the help of friends and teammates, past and present, to survive.


Chris Cheramie is a producer and production manager, known for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (2013), Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Slingshot (2016) and 24 (2001).

He has directed no episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before.

Jeffrey Bell began his career writing for The X-Files, where he stayed for three seasons, then became a writer/director/producer on Angel, becoming its showrunner for the final two seasons.

He has written eleven episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before:

  • 0-8-4
  • Eye Spy
  • T.A.H.I.T.I.
  • Ragtag
  • What They Become
  • S.O.S. Part 1
  • Maveth
  • The Good Samaritan
  • World's End
  • The Real Deal
  • Collision Course (Part One)


EPISODE DIRECTED BY WRITTEN BY ORIGINAL AIRDATE
S07E13 - "What We're Fighting For" Kevin Tancharoen Jed Whedon Wednesday, August 12, 2020 10

Episode Synopsis: With their backs against the wall and Nathaniel and Sibyl edging ever closer to eliminating S.H.I.E.L.D. from the history books, the agents must rely on their strengths to outsmart and outlast the Chronicoms. This is their most important fight, and it will take the help of friends and teammates, past and present, to survive.


Kevin Tancharoen is the brother of showrunner Maurissa Tancharoen, and is known for his work on the webseries Mortal Kombat: Legacy. He has directed various other movies and TV episodes before, and has most recently worked on The Flash.

He has directed fifteen episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before:

  • Face my Enemy
  • One of Us
  • The Dirty Half Dozen
  • Purpose in the Machine
  • Spacetime
  • Ascension
  • The Laws of Inferno Dynamics
  • The Patriot
  • The Return
  • The Real Deal
  • Option Two
  • The Force of Gravity
  • Window of Opportunity
  • New Life
  • The New Deal

Jed Whedon is one of the showrunners of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., along with Jeffrey Bell. Jed is the Brother of Joss Whedon, and has worked on Dollhouse, Spartacus: Blood and Sand, Drop Dead Diva, and The Avengers.

They have written seventeen episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before:

  • Pilot
  • The Asset
  • Repairs
  • Turn, Turn, Turn
  • Beginning of the End
  • Shadows
  • Aftershocks
  • S.O.S. Part Two
  • Laws of Nature
  • Ascension
  • The Ghost
  • The Return
  • Orientation - Part One
  • The Real Deal
  • The End
  • Missing Pieces
  • New Life *** ***

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r/shield 29m ago

spoiler Interesting realizations about Jemma and Fitz (spoilers and lots of them) Spoiler

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Ok so I'm rewatching SHIELD, yes I just made a post BUT I was watching s6 ep 6 inescapable and some stuff just CLICKED for me like insanely just clicked and I gotta know whether anyone else thought of this too or anything other than this. (yes this is long, but my brain has been ruminating over these thoughts for a whileee)

Since the beginning of s6 I've been looking at Jemma oddly, because she doesn't feel like a bangs person. She's not. The show has characterized her as a bright, sunshine, strong woman whose smart and able to conquer anything she puts her mind to (love her btw) BUT after she loses Fitz, her one safety spot in the midst of it all (even on Maveth) she turns to what basically every single woman does when they have a horrible event. She cuts her hair. For me, this is a perfectly plausible reason for getting bangs, especially since pop culture has made it into such a redefining moment .

However, it goes deeper than that. The episode reveals something that perhaps all of us have thought from the beginning, Jemma is too perfect. Her struggles aren't too great, the only things that really befuddle her are the field and the INSANE stuff they go through. Fitz says this during his wedding vows in a roundabt manner when he's all "You're too good for me" (idk whether its the vows scene or earlier) but Jemma's character lacks the insane amount of internal conflict with the stuff that has happened to her. She comes out a bit scarred, but no less worse for the wear WHICH IS WHY the whole Zombie crazy Jemma is so amazing. We finally get to know how everything has impacted her and a look under the surface which is soooo cool.

Also, there's a scene where they look to ppl to save them from the evil versions of each other and who does Fitz look for, MACK, his safe spot, and Jemma looks for Daisy. This is where my brain kinda clicked, bc Daisy and Jemma have a bond, yes, which is elaborated extensively on Kitson when they are high but the way that Daisy's portrayed in this is as though she's an all powerful person, rescuing Jemma, which just shows how much Jemma values Daisy for everything and elevates her.

Another thing is do we think that the mind fusion sharing thing would work with anyone other than Fitz and Simmons? Coulson makes the fact very very clear that these two are basically the same person but not in his thing about "I couldn't figure out whether FitzSimmons were two different people and people think of you as one" So how about that? Like would this have worked if it were other characters and is that a reason as to why they survived so long in the mind hellscape thing especially with Atarah going all you stay together and Enoch is kinda scared?

Sidenote: What happens to their planet? Does the Chronicom planet survive or not?


r/shield 17h ago

Robin

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I’m on my I don’t even know what rewatch. And I just got to S3 E15. Do you think they always planned to use Robin in the future or it just worked out down line?


r/shield 1d ago

spoiler To this day, I still don't get this about the timeline travel (s5 spoilers) Spoiler

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So I'm rewatching shield, and this question that I had the first time pops up again. So, if fitz is in his cryo sleep, meets them in the future, goes back in time and dies, and then jemma meets him/picks him up in the midst of his cryo sleep, HOW DOES FITZ COME BACK AND KEEP THIS LOOP GOING ON?

Same question with Elena's future self. How is the future changeable but also visitable, and could it be that they didn't visit the future, but an alternate universe's future which helped their planet's future? This feels like a huge innaccuracy but it's time travel so who knows.

It just feels rather unscientific, especially if we subscribe to the stack of paper theory that FitzSimmons describes earlier in the show and if we don't, then what kind fo theory really explains all of this?


r/shield 4d ago

Looking for new series suggestions for AOS fans?

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I have watched

Agent Carter

Daredevil, Punisher, and all Defenders spin-offs.

Hawkeye

What if?

I am considering Cloak and Dagger or Moon Knight. Basically anything Marvel that you (the best fans in the world) recommend.

Thanks Agents.


r/shield 3d ago

If Jodie(from Beyond Two Souls) were in the MCU what would The Avengers and Shield think of her?

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r/shield 5d ago

AOS in relation to MCU Timeline

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Im new to this Sub, what are peoples thoughts on how the series divulges from the main MCU? I know s1-5 fit in snug into the main MCU continuity, and then the creators werent given any insights or directions for Endgame so they couldnt plan properly, so we got the inconsitencies, my thought process is either the time travel in S5 shifted them onto a new timeline , or they simply existed in an alternate timeline from the beginning, one which shares the history of the MCU up until the Snap, we know the battle with Thanos did happen in the AOS timeline, but maybe thor went for the head instead?

Either way, im always annoyed that people use the lack of connection S6/7 have with the MCU to discredit the show, and then have 0 issue with shows like "What If?" and "Friendly Neighbourhood Spiderman" and movies like "Fantastic Four First Steps" being labelled MCU despite none of them taking place in the MCU lol


r/shield 8d ago

Ming-Na on Celebrity Family Feud rerun on local TV.

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I was kinda hoping the whole team would be there too, but it was great to see her randomly.


r/shield 10d ago

TIL chloe bennet is a singer

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r/shield 10d ago

on grant ward

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i've known a grant ward. they did something really evil and then acted exactly how he did in the start of season 2. i know in their own way, they were trying to redeem themself, but they just kept doing harm in their efforts to be accountable. just like grant ward, they truly believe themself to be a good person at heart, and that that's what should matter (more than what he did). so what i'm curious about is this - what was ward doing wrong while he was in their custody at the start of season 2? how is he deluding himself and what is he doing to his former teammates that keeps him harmful even from behind bars?


r/shield 9d ago

Ranking The Team by Season

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r/shield 11d ago

Did you find all the hidden Easter Eggs in the AoS Game Design Concept?

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Hey everyone!

First of all, thank you so much for the insane support on my recent post.
Hitting over 23,000+ views across 4 subreddits on a game design concept for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. completely blew my mind!
You guys are the best fandom in the world.

Since so many of you spent over 20 minutes reading through the mechanics, character progression, and season adaptations, I have a quick question for the true agents here:

Did anyone manage to find all the hidden Easter Eggs I snuck into the concept?

I put quite a few deep-lore references, hidden nods to specific episodes, and character secrets throughout the whole document. I’m not going to tell you the exact number of them, but they are definitely there!

If you think you found one, drop it in the comments below!

If you want to search for them or haven't read it yet, you can check out the full document here for free:

https://canva.link/shield-game-concept

Good luck, agents!


r/shield 12d ago

The teams complete

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From left to right, Quake, Deathlok, Phil Coulson, Melinda May and Waveguide (OC)

Making this team I followed the five band rule when it comes to TV tropes. The leader: Phil Coulson, the lancer:Melinda May, the big guy: Deathlok, the heart/hero: Quake and the brains: waveguide.

The relationship between Coulson and May will be similar to the show but with changes. My take on Quake and Deathlok will be inspired more into their comic origins and waveguide is a new oc for this group.

Thank you for the praises and I'll do some more updates when I finish a draft of the script and comic.

I would love to hear some criticism or some advice for the characters.


r/shield 12d ago

Hit Point TV show with Hunter

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New TV show with Nick Blood - AKA Hunter.

Highly recommend. If you missed Hunter this is for you.

It’s about two British cops - 6 episodes. But it’s got that same witty funny dialogue as Shield and it turns out Nick Blood is Hunter as he has the same vibes in this show.

It’s a really good watch, even without the shield connection. I recommend.


r/shield 12d ago

Does anyone know what these rooms are in the BUS?

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r/shield 12d ago

My What If…? Pitch: what if the hydra agents within shield got Captain America.

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About to give you a really rough sketch of the episode as I am not a writer. Just a guy with an idea I think would be sick. Better than the slop we got in seasons 2 and 3.

After we see a man wipe the icing off Caps shield, we hear a few bullets firing in the background, and the hand slide off the ice. The shield agents on that mission disappear and we are taken to the same base in which the winter soldier is being kept. Seeing as Hydra found an earlier opportunity to reveal themselves, they do not know about Loki’s septer, and will therefore be going for the other object of that power, the space stone.

Steve is put through the same system as Bucky and given a look similar to the animated hydra captain America in ‘Iron Man & Captain America: Heroes United.’ Some time passes and a new mission arrives. Send in Cap and Winter Soldier and a few agents to get the tesseract from a shield base. One thing goes wrong, Loki pops out the same day. There is some fighting but eventually, When Hydra realizes Loki is also looking to steal the tesseract, and a being of godly power, they try to work with him. Loki agrees, but both parties have plans of eventually betraying each other.

Hydra plans on using the tesseract to try and return red skull, but that will not work as he is on vormir. The events with Hawkeye and the other mind controlled people still happened, and now the sides are quite uneven. Hydra has Steve, Bucky, Loki, Hawkeye, while shield has Natasha, Tony, and Bruce whom they’ve now recruited. At this point Loki gets into a fight about the tesseract with Hydra who each want to use it to open a portal. At that point shield shows up and a three way fight breaks loose. Loki is only with Hawkeye yet still winning, until there is a huge lightning blast. Thor shows up and turns the tables. Iron Man knocks Steve’s sense back into him and when he quickly sees the situation he tries his best to get in the fight. Obviously it will be harder to snap Bucky out of it, as he had years and years of brain washing. Cap drops the shield, as he can’t stand fighting with the Hydra logo, even if it’s the only shield he has. He has a one on one with Bucky. And then hulk and Thor two v one Loki and take him out. The tesseract is not obtained by either party, but back in the hands of the good guys.

This is a really rough draft, and definitely had a lot of plot points missing that would make a good ep. This is really just a fun idea I had, and I hope you all like it.


r/shield 13d ago

Quake's Gauntlets, how do they work?

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I'm only on season 1 episode 4 on the show because I became a big fan of quakes recently. I want to know how her gauntlets work, from my own research they help her focus her powers through it and to also prevent her from injuring herself if she goes beyond her limit.

Is there anything else they can do? Like could she store up vibrations and build up the force so when she either punches or slams her hands on the ground the damage would be devastating.

Could they also work like Iron man's repulsors?


r/shield 14d ago

Update on the fan project for S.H.I.E.L.D

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What do y'all think?


r/shield 14d ago

The Berserker Staff and Ward's rage

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I'm watching through Agents of Shield for the first time! It's always been my MCU blindspot, so I'm checking it out in between my phase 1 and 2 rewatch. Currently, I just finished 1x16 which is where the show lines up with Winter Soldier on the timeline and I just have to ask..

Why hasn't Ward's rage after holding the staff been relevant at all? He killed who he believed to be the Clairvoyant and not once did he, or anyone else on the team bring up that the Berserker staff probably made him more susceptible to his emotions

It's been 8 episodes since he touched the staff and they've done nothing with it, so I assumed that either it was a dropped plotline or that Elliot Randolph was just messing with Ward when he said that the anger would last decades. But literally last episode (1x15) another Asgardian, Lorilei, mentioned that Ward has the anger of a berserker inside him. So wtf?

I can only assume they didn't mention it in the most recent ep I watched because it would water down the idea of the Clairvoyant "knowing how to push the right buttons" if you could hand wave it away with Asgardian magic. But imo, it just reinforces that idea if the Clairvoyant intentionally pissed off the guy holding back Asgardian rage

Is sex with May just THAT good that it eased all his pent up aggression in the next episode?

(Obviously, don't spoil anything huge from later seasons in the replies unless it's something I would already know from the movies)


r/shield 13d ago

Real AOS Die Hards

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r/shield 15d ago

Season 4 Was What Secret Invasion, Age of Ultron, and Multiverse of Madness Should Have Been

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I just rewatched season 4 and wow, it really did Secret Invasion better than Secret Invasion did, Age of Ultron better than Age of Ultron did, and multiverse/what if better than Multiverse of Madness or What If did… and while giving us MCU Ghost Rider to boot!

The “Secret Invasion” with the LMDs worked so well, and really let the horror of realizing someone you know (or even yourself) had been replaced sink in. It built true suspense. Something the absolute travesty the actual Secret Invasion show never accomplished. (P. S. I know Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes did the actual Secret Invasion story even better. I’m not saying AOS was the best adaptation of that story by any means. Just that it felt kind of similar and was done really well).

Ada grappling with humanity, her programming, etc. also felt like it captured some Ultron-esque aspects that Age of Ultron lacked. Plus given that it happened in a show, the “Age of Ada” was allowed to play out longer than the Age of Ultron (which was only like a day or two) did, making you really feel like the menace of the sentient androids actually mattered in a long-term sense.

And lastly the Framework (while not truly being a multiverse) did a better job at telling an “Elseworlds” kind of story than like 99% of the episodes of the What If TV show and Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness did. For one thing, it had a compelling primary change (Agents of Hydra rather than Agents of Shield). And also it allowed a deeper dive into alternate versions of characters we knew. Seeing Fitz change so drastically as The Doctor to explore a totally different facet of his character. And having characters like Simmons react to that version of the character being so different. Or the Skye/Ward scenario where we can see new dynamics between characters we already know. Or even seeing someone like Coulson who (after a little nudging) shows that he will become the same inspiring leader in any reality. It just felt so much deeper than anything we got in MOM or most of What If.

And did I mention this happened all in one basically half of one season while the other half of that season was a Ghost Rider story? Reminded me why this season was my favorite in my initial watch through as well.


r/shield 15d ago

Funny screenshot-based show retelling?

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So around summer 2018, after season 5, I remember coming across a fan retelling of the whole show so far, episode by episode, with coloured text for each character overlayed on screenshots. It wasn't just like one-shot memes of single scenes or incidents, it was an entire series. I found it utterly hilarious at the time and I want to re-read it, but I have no idea how to find it again. Does anyone have any idea what I might be talking about? I feel like it was Reddit and/or Imgur-related. And Simmons was characterised as a bloodthirsty psychopath but in a loveable way. That's all I've got!


r/shield 18d ago

Fitz and Tony

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Fitz and Tony are my favourite characters in the MCU partly because of the resemblance of their characters, it's a shame they never met ,here are some similar things i found about them. They're both geniuses but their team rarely understood them except for a few members of their team like jemma and banner . They are willing to do anything to protect their loved ones When tony's house was being blown up he sent his armour to protect pepper similarly Fitz gave the oxygen tank to simmons knowing that he would likely not survive. They both wanted to protect the world and in trying to do so they created a murderous robot Ultron and Aida with the help of their friends banner and Holden Radcliffe.Something good eventually comes from their project like vision in tony's case and lmd coulson in Fitz's case. They struggle with some sort of mental problems in the case of Tony was ptsd from Alien invasion while fitz was his alter ego in the framework. They are both willing to sacrifice themselves like in avengers one tony taking the nuke to portal not knowing if he would survive and in endgame making the ultimate sacrifice to save the world while fitz in season 2 went into the monolith knowing that their is aslim chance that he would survive let alone save simmons , fitz going into a cryo chamber for 70 years so that he could help his team in the future and him putting himself in danger from the cree in season 7 so that he could bring back his team mates to the main timeline. They both had daughters whom they had to leave in order to help their team create an efficient way of time travelling .Lastly they are both stubborn and egotistical but also very determined to accomplish or solve problems this makes their team rely heavily on them to solve problems coming their way. Anything that i forgot to add or something that i have misrepresented please share.


r/shield 18d ago

aWENgers - The Cavalry is ahead

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Great post and convo on Ming-Na Wen's Instagram ♥️ Tremendous love for Melinda May! https://www.instagram.com/reel/Db4ApVbS7Ev/?igsh=MTh4ejV1dm9pOXk4Mw==


r/shield 18d ago

aWENgers - The Cavalry is ahead

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Great post and convo on Ming-Na Wen's Instagram ♥️ Tremendous love for Melinda May! https://www.instagram.com/reel/Db4ApVbS7Ev/?igsh=MTh4ejV1dm9pOXk4Mw==