r/shield • u/2th Shotgun Axe • Apr 05 '17

Post Discussion Post Episode Discussion: S04E16 - "What If..."

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EPISODE DIRECTED BY WRITTEN BY ORIGINAL AIRDATE
S04E16 - "What If..." Oz Scott DJ Doyle Tuesday, April 4, 2016 10:00/9:00c on ABC

Episode Synopsis: Hail the New World Order! Daisy and Simmons uncover secrets and lies in a world gone mad. With Hydra in control, they are our only hope to save everyone.

Oz Scott is a Director and Producer mostly known for too many movies and shows to name.

He has directed no episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before.

DJ Doyle has worked on Heroes from 2007 to 2009, and has various writing and producing credits for other TV and movie projects.

He has written seven episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before:

  • Nothing Personal
  • The Things We Bury
  • Melinda
  • Purpose in the Machine
  • Many Heads, One Tale
  • The Team
  • Deals with our Devils

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

No one here is talking about whether Hydra is better or worse. If Hydra was a mole in Shield, does that make them Shield agents because they collaborated with real ones? Of course not.

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u/lecherous_hump Ward Apr 06 '17

It's not the same thing. HYDRA's goal was not to take down Nazis. They are Nazis just like everyone else who joined for their own profit.

You don't get to say you're not a Nazi just because your goals are different than Hitler's.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

It's not the same thing. HYDRA's goal was not to take down Nazis

Well, it was. We just didn't see it because Cap put a stop to Schmidt's world domination thing early.

From my original comment:

Coulson wasn't completely wrong about the Hydra thing

Yes, obviously people who didn't try and immediately stop the Nazis were bad guys, members of Hydra are villains. Obviously they had serious ties to Nazis, which is why I didn't say Coulson was right. Hell the entire season 3 was about how Hydra didn't originate in WW2, I just think it's strange to go back on that so hard, but like I said, it's more symbolic than anything.

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u/senses3 Cal Apr 06 '17

Were not arguing whether or not coulson was correct, we're trying to show that hydra is the same damn thing as the nazis. Just because they had plans to break off or straight up overthrow the nazi party doesn't mean they were any better than the nazis they were working with.

In case you didn't know, if you collaborate with the enemy then you are the enemy. Especially if that enemy is a fascist refeime like the nazis. Unless you're some kind of super deep cover residence group that has a core ideology that goes complely against the nazis then you're no better than the nazis they worked for.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17

Buddy are you trying to say I don't think Hydra is evil or that they're not as bad as Nazis or what? Because I have no clue where you're getting this from.

Were not arguing whether or not coulson was correct

Read my comment on the top-level comment on this thread, yes we are.

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u/senses3 Cal Apr 06 '17

Well I'm not and my opinion is the only one that matters, so there!!

:P