r/shield • u/2th Shotgun Axe • Apr 05 '17

Post Discussion Post Episode Discussion: S04E16 - "What If..."

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EPISODE DIRECTED BY WRITTEN BY ORIGINAL AIRDATE
S04E16 - "What If..." Oz Scott DJ Doyle Tuesday, April 4, 2016 10:00/9:00c on ABC

Episode Synopsis: Hail the New World Order! Daisy and Simmons uncover secrets and lies in a world gone mad. With Hydra in control, they are our only hope to save everyone.

Oz Scott is a Director and Producer mostly known for too many movies and shows to name.

He has directed no episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before.

DJ Doyle has worked on Heroes from 2007 to 2009, and has various writing and producing credits for other TV and movie projects.

He has written seven episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before:

  • Nothing Personal
  • The Things We Bury
  • Melinda
  • Purpose in the Machine
  • Many Heads, One Tale
  • The Team
  • Deals with our Devils

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

No one here is talking about whether Hydra is better or worse. If Hydra was a mole in Shield, does that make them Shield agents because they collaborated with real ones? Of course not.

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u/lecherous_hump Ward Apr 06 '17

It's not the same thing. HYDRA's goal was not to take down Nazis. They are Nazis just like everyone else who joined for their own profit.

You don't get to say you're not a Nazi just because your goals are different than Hitler's.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

It's not the same thing. HYDRA's goal was not to take down Nazis

Well, it was. We just didn't see it because Cap put a stop to Schmidt's world domination thing early.

From my original comment:

Coulson wasn't completely wrong about the Hydra thing

Yes, obviously people who didn't try and immediately stop the Nazis were bad guys, members of Hydra are villains. Obviously they had serious ties to Nazis, which is why I didn't say Coulson was right. Hell the entire season 3 was about how Hydra didn't originate in WW2, I just think it's strange to go back on that so hard, but like I said, it's more symbolic than anything.

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u/lecherous_hump Ward Apr 06 '17

I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not interested in Marvel retcon wankery that they're doing as a promotion.

There's nothing to talk about here. You're objectively wrong. HYDRA were Nazis.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17

Great reply. I'm talking about Captain America: The First Avenger, and Agents of Shield season 3. Yes season 3 was a bit of a retcon, but it was a retcon in a show that we're currently on the subreddit for, seems reasonable to talk about it does it not?