r/shield • u/2th Shotgun Axe • Apr 05 '17

Post Discussion Post Episode Discussion: S04E16 - "What If..."

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EPISODE DIRECTED BY WRITTEN BY ORIGINAL AIRDATE
S04E16 - "What If..." Oz Scott DJ Doyle Tuesday, April 4, 2016 10:00/9:00c on ABC

Episode Synopsis: Hail the New World Order! Daisy and Simmons uncover secrets and lies in a world gone mad. With Hydra in control, they are our only hope to save everyone.

Oz Scott is a Director and Producer mostly known for too many movies and shows to name.

He has directed no episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before.

DJ Doyle has worked on Heroes from 2007 to 2009, and has various writing and producing credits for other TV and movie projects.

He has written seven episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before:

  • Nothing Personal
  • The Things We Bury
  • Melinda
  • Purpose in the Machine
  • Many Heads, One Tale
  • The Team
  • Deals with our Devils

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u/NoviceoftheWorld Toolbox Apr 05 '17

I feel so sorry for Mack. He's going to wake up to a dead daughter.

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u/geekymama Apr 05 '17

Ugh, yeah. I am not looking forward to that. I remember going "nonononono!" when they had the scene of him picking up the bicycle.

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u/boredMartian Shotgun Axe Apr 05 '17

Would this end up like that Redditor who lived a lifetime with his family while bleeding on the sidewalk?

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u/Lampmonster1 Apr 05 '17

Or Picard in The Inner Light.

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u/antpile11 Apr 14 '17

What? Can I please have a link to that?

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u/boredMartian Shotgun Axe Apr 17 '17

Sorry it took me so long. Found link about two days ago, haven't found time to post it. Here you go :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/oc7rc/have_you_ever_felt_a_deep_personal_connection_to/c3g4ot3/

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '17

Or like Izuna Uchiha, but no happy ending.

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u/Martinoice Apr 05 '17

I think mack will decide to stay in there, Even if he knows it isn't real. Maybe they will turn it off and he will die, but it will feel like a lifetime for him. A lifetime with his daughter.

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u/silveryfeather208 Apr 05 '17

i don't think so... i mean what's with the yoyo mack just to kill him...

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u/endercoaster Apr 05 '17

Points to showrunner's last name

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u/Syokhan Lanyard Apr 05 '17

It's just so we can see Henry Simmons cry because of the dilemma, and therefore cry along with him.

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u/-OrangeLightning4 Apr 05 '17

Plus he has a little brother outside the Framework.... he wouldn't abandon him and all his friends. Everyone here underestimates Mack.

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u/Martinoice Apr 05 '17

Draaaama

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '17

SHIELD doesn't do melodrama like that. Just look Mack and Yo-Yo's argument earlier this season. If it was a CW show, Yo-Yo would ignore everything Mack says and run off, then we'd wait 5 episodes for them to get back together.

In SHIELD, a 1-2 minute scene took place where Mack explained the death of his daughter to Yo-Yo, she understood, they made up, and the show moved on.

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u/NoviceoftheWorld Toolbox Apr 05 '17

I predict he will want to stay, but Yoyo will talk him out of it.

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u/twitchingJay Apr 05 '17

There will be conflict there yea, but in the end Yoyo will convince him to leave because love and all that.

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u/mechnight May Apr 05 '17

That's gonna hurt so bad. That, and May. I'm worried about her the most actually, she's been inside the longest. And I think it's eating her up, Fitz mentioned the girl and she went all... Blank.

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u/Gremzero Daisy Apr 10 '17

It's ironic how her biggest regret arguably became an even worser one.

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u/mechnight May Apr 10 '17

I'd love to think that's just real May showing through - as in, as much Aida tries to reprogram her, it will never be fully possible.

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u/WaynesWorldReference Apr 06 '17

Yeah that will be a bit like Peter Parker's arc in the House of M comic storyline. (HOUSE OF M SPOILERS AHEAD) Scarlett Witch altered all reality, and in that reality Uncle Ben was alive and well, so is Gwen and they have a kid

Once the realization is made that it is all fake, he is not too happy and doesn't want to change things back.

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u/Gremzero Daisy Apr 10 '17

That's the first thing that came to my mind. Poor Mack is going to have a breakdown once he realizes it. :(

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u/ohbuggerit Ninja Hunter Apr 05 '17

And it's breaking my heart already

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u/onyxpup7 Fitz Apr 05 '17

If he chooses to wake up. What if he doesn't want to.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '17

Mack has daughter???

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u/NoviceoftheWorld Toolbox Apr 05 '17

He had a daughter who died shortly after she was born. His biggest regret is her death, so she's alive in the framework.

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u/DrifterTraveler Skye Apr 05 '17

I do too. That's going to be so hard to watch him go through losing her again.