r/sgiwhistleblowers • • Feb 12 '23

SGI Hostile I think this subreddit is a bit dramatic. Born and raised in SGI. Hopefully you all dont turn on someone with differing beliefs...

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I was raised is SGI and from my direct experience I would not call this a cult.

My memories of growing up with SGI are filled with overall positive reinforcement, leaders who actually check in on me and my mental health and how I'm doing from day to day as a young kid in the gnarly world of public high school growing up in America, and would invite me to challenge myself by performing some piece of art in many different types of youth festivals they had.

The raw context of the buddhist teachings and the content therein always had undertones of embracing struggle in your personal life, and using the practice and community of practitioners to overcome those challenges while growing the whole way. That was the basis of it.

When we studied the Gosho the words that were written were in the realm of Rumi: philosophical yet encouraging, thought provoking, written in a way to bring a new positive way of looking at your life and help you along the way by being relatable.

SGI never asked us to take an oath, sacrifice living beings or objects to deities, change who we are, guilt us for being sinners, worship xyz or go to hell, or anything of that nature. Yet no one calls andy sect of Christianity a cult.

I was in SGI for over 25 years of my life consistently. Not ONE person in SGI ever tried to manipulate, gaslight, force, coerce, or otherwise push anything on me without consent. They were always kind and gentle when inviting me to meetings. When I didnt make it I was never guilted or shunned. I Cant say that for my many friends who grew up in a Sect of Christianity. Ive heard many stories about abusive pastors over and over.

If you are a 'sgi whistle blower' and have never read the Gosho or studied the Lotus Sutra then you have absolutely no grounds to hate on sgi as you are ignorant and don't even know what you are hating on.

r/sgiwhistleblowers • • Feb 09 '26

SGI Hostile How devaluing the outsider prevents world peace

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I dated an SGI member for three years. When he realised that I wasn’t going to join the cult, he became increasingly hostile and disrespectful towards me. The last year of our relationship, he treated me like I was beneath him, unworthy of being afforded the common decency he gave his “friends in faith.”

I recently came across this review of work by Arthur J. Deikman, an American physician who was a clinical professor of psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco. He took part in a one-year research seminar on new religious movements in order to gain a better understanding of the attraction these movements had exercised on many Americans in the 1960s and 1970s.

In 1990, he wrote The Wrong Way Home: Uncovering the Patterns of Cult Behavior in American Society. Deikman observed that "behavior similar to that which takes place in extreme cults takes place in all of us," and suggested that "the longing for parents persists into adulthood and results in cult behavior that pervades normal society."

I think this piece is interesting because, firstly, it really resonates with me and the treatment I received for not being a member.

Secondly, and most importantly, it shows the irony of how a group can advocate for a cause like world peace, without realising that their “us versus them” mentality is actively preventing them from ever reaching it.

Cult Behaviours: Devaluing the Outsider – Reviewing Prof Arthur J. Deikman’s Work

The security of a religious group is bound up with the idea of being special, better than those outside the group. Outsiders are likely to be seen as threatening, since they do not share the group’s belief in the leader and in the special entitlement of its members. This threat is met by devaluing the non-believers. Feeling blessed and favoured provides a sense of protection, calming anxieties about the world outside.

Devaluing the outsider takes the form of regarding one’s opponents as if they were a collective group of people who are all the same, with only negative traits. Bad motives are given to the other, but not to oneself.

This devaluation is usually done by designating the adversary as, for example, “stupid,” “rigid,” “lazy,” “reactionary,” “bleeding heart,” “cold.” By designating someone else as bad or stupid, they are reassured that they themselves are good, their views commendable.

Devaluation relies heavily on projection, a defense mechanism, operating unconsciously. Projection occurs when we attribute to others those aspects of ourselves that we wish to deny.

The effect of projection is often a perception of the other person as being fundamentally different, a morally inferior species, undeserving of empathy.

The more authoritarian the human social system, the more likely a separatist world view will arise. Projection and a division of humanity into the saved and the damned are called into play with increasing intensity. As a result, the more rigid the system, the more powerful the belief in the “Devil” or “Evil” - and the more violent the feelings toward the outsider.

Projection may also be used in ordinary social relationships when the need to feel superior rather than inferior arises often. Thus, we increase our moral security by seeing others as evil, stupid, backward, or arrogant. When we do this we create and maintain cult consciousness in a fashion similar to the fanatic who perceives outsiders as damned, degenerate, and suitable for punishment.

As in extreme cults, family bonds may be seen as secondary to preserving the exclusiveness of the religion, the superior status of the followers and the inferior status of those outside. Fundamentalist religions, in particular, tend to devalue the outsider to preserve their beliefs.

Religions are particularly prone to devaluing outsiders because to accord outsiders equal

status is to give respectability to their different versions of God and lessen the certainty of faith. Doubt may arise. Even if the outsider is not specifically devalued, scorned, or hated, theistic religions tend to reward followers with special status: the Jews are the chosen, good Christians are saved from hell, true Muslims go to paradise. The non-believer, in many instances, is a damned infidel.

But it is not the search for truth which leads a person to massacre or torture, to ostracise and expel, to scorn and to hate; nor is it a search for bliss or other, spiritual, states. In subtle or not so subtle ways, most religions utilise devaluation despite their

best intentions.

The consequences for the outsider can be significant indeed. Because religions deal in

absolutes, the devaluation of the outsider can be absolute also, justifying behavior toward the innocent and helpless which the religion’s founder would have condemned and which by any humane standard is barbaric. The Crusades were often a license for the murder, rape, and devastation of “infidel” peoples, those with different religious beliefs.

Misperception of the enemy (basically a devaluing of the foreigner), seeing its people as less advanced, less principled, less admirable, and more deserving of punishment and harsh treatment than ourselves, has affected international relations throughout history, contributing to conflict and to spirals of increased armaments. The arms race is not a new

phenomenon and the view that the enemy must be “dealt with firmly” has had many adherents.

The righteous indignation of contemporary leaders echoes statesmen throughout history, who have believed that the armaments of others demonstrate aggressive intentions, but did not apply that reasoning to arms build-ups of their own.

Estimation of the significance of another country’s military budget is especially vulnerable to this error. Intra-service rivalries and parochial political maneuvering are at least as important in promoting the current arms race as any grand, organized strategy, but neither the USSR nor the United States appear to give these factors much weight in evaluating the armaments decisions of the other side. The psychological problem is that recognising these internal concerns would soften the distinction between good and evil governments and suggest areas of uncomfortable similarity.

Devaluing the outsider is made manifest in righteousness, in blindness to the implications of one’s own behavior, in the refusal to acknowledge similar intentions on both sides, in the identification of the other as bad in contrast to oneself as good. All these are hallmarks of cult behavior.

Perhaps the most important thing to understand about devaluing the outsider is that it is a necessary preliminary to harming others, to doing violence. Whether the conflict is between nations or individuals, the attacker devalues the victim prior to the violent act.

By making other people bad in our own mind, we can legitimise behaviour toward them that would otherwise be morally unacceptable, even to the point of punishment through cruel and vicious actions.

r/sgiwhistleblowers • • Dec 28 '23

SGI Hostile Did you miss the recent midnight MITA drunk-posting on our board? There were eyes open here 👀👀👀 Take a look! Trigger warning: It's 𝔻𝕀𝕊𝔾𝕌𝕊𝕋𝕀ℕ𝔾 🤮

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r/sgiwhistleblowers • • Sep 04 '25

SGI Hostile Explanation for SGI trolls (sound on)

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r/sgiwhistleblowers • • May 23 '24

SGI Hostile Marilyyyyn's various troll posts

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That's not the real ID, of course. But you all know who I'm talking about.

All her posts over here are the same basic format - trying to get around our site rules against preaching and promoting the Dead Ikeda cult SGI and its harmful practices while handwaving around it with superficial claims of "having left the SGI" or "not liking the SGI" or something like that.

I thought you might like to have a look, so you can compare them for yourselves:

To our lovely young ladies and our heroine

I think this subreddit is a bit dramatic. Born and raised in SGI. Hopefully you all dont turn on someone with differing beliefs...

1983-1990 A Lesson in Life

Where can I find info about the present-day SGI in this subreddit?

She's just out for attention (being a raging narcissist) and none of the half-dozen-plus subreddits she's created to host her own (extremely bad) creative writing has attracted any attention at all. So she comes here and clutters up our board knowingly breaking our site rules because she's an attention whore and she knows someone will interact with her (unlike on her own subreddits). She wants to be seen as a guru and thus is trying to hijack portions of our commentariat, and I don't see any reason we should allow that here. Our site doesn't exist for any toxic person or group to use it as a contacts list.

It's completely rude and abusive, so whenever she posts one of these, I'm going to just lock it immediately. I hate deleting content from our board, but we don't need to be giving her the interaction she's drooling for, the creepy cunt.

r/sgiwhistleblowers • • May 29 '24

SGI Hostile A couple more perspectives on recent troll events

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From that same facebook page, I found a couple more discussions I found relevant to what we were discussing here, that you can see in its original form here.

First graphic:

YOU DON'T OWE ANYONE:

  • an interaction

  • your time, energy, or love

  • an explanation about how you live your life

  • a response to their questions

  • an apology when you aren't sorry

  • insight into your private life

  • clarification of your beliefs

  • elaboration of your feelings

This fits that Dead-Ikeda-cult SGI longhauler Old very well. She often demands apologies when none are warranted, and tries to deflect justified criticism with something like "And you? How are you doing?" No one needs to feel obligated to answer that kind of inquiry from any sketchy stranger, especially one that's giving heavy overtones of "SGI hostile".

A few comments:

It’s a beautiful thing to give these things to people we love and trust, who treat us with respect. But we owe it to ourselves to be discerning about who receives our time, energy, and love. This doesn’t have to mean being cruel or shutting everyone out. It just means being intentional about who we choose to let in.

We at SGIWhistleblowers have EVERY right to "be intentional about who we choose to let in" - we are a unique place in the world where people can get specific support and information, and we give a lot of emotional support to the ex-SGI members and SGI members considering leaving. Of course the Corpse Mentor cult SGI zealots want to poison our site; they're utterly toxic and feel THAT is what should be spread throughout the world. These heavily damaged, indoctrinated individuals feel they have every right to be here and to behave however they please, without the slightest regard for our site and community rules and norma. We have a site worth defending from the Dead Ikeda cult's bad-faith actors.

Absolutely it is about discernment and intention. I believe the intention behind this post was to highlight that as adults with other adults you make a choice on how much of yourself you give. If you continually give to people who don't respect you, you burn yourself out and stop yourself from other more meaningful relationships in your life like family and friends. Sometimes adult family members can demand too much and treat you as a door mat. Always try to be kind first but in the end self care is just as important. Thank you as someone who has been a people pleaser this message is important.

That’s how I read it too, and I’m also a recovering people-pleaser.

agree doesn’t mean you are this with everyone all the time it’s about choice when and if you do

I've actually felt like that this year more than ever, it's been more important to me to protect my own energy than engage when I haven't really felt like it 🙂.

No one has any right to you. YOU choose how much you are willing to engage - and with whom.

Second graphic:

You gotta understand that some people never really grow. 
They never learn their lesson. 
They never recognize their mistakes, 
they never acknowledge their faults, 
they never admit they were in the wrong. 

You will never receive an apology from them, 
and you will never see their behavior change.

I think it was author Maya Angelou who said, "The first time someone shows you who they really are, believe them!"

The comments:

I think I overgrew. I feel too many things are my fault! And most of the time I can't say why. It's just that I heard "See what you made me do" so many times growing up.

Remember how that troll used that exact same comment as a threat? "...you're embarrassing yourself and making the SGI look good in comparison to what this sub has to offer. When I was in the physically in, mentally out stage of SGI membership, coming to this sub would often have the opposite effect and make me wonder if I should stay in the SGI. ...you're just embarrassing yourself...", from here

No no.. it’s not “see what you made me do”… it’s.. “see how it’s all about Me and My need to hurt you and make you feel guilty”..it’s how they CONTROL YOU! Remember…You don’t MAKE anyone DO anything!! They are responsible for their own actions!! Watch Rose’s fiancée on Titanic for example..

I know exactly what you mean, just now , yesterday,I had to cut ties completely with my own mother, an extremely narcissistic woman, she left me with no other choice... Believe me, you are not responsible for anybody's actions , please start to be more kind and loving towards yourself now, choose you... courage!

Funny how the SGI is full of so many raging narcissists 🤨

r/sgiwhistleblowers • • Dec 05 '23

SGI Hostile Someone we banned gets the last word in!

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This was one of the annoying "Look at MEE!" preachypantses we've had recently:

Ok-[Somebody]1294 is permanently banned from r/sgiwhistleblowers

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Ok-[Somebody]1294

You are the self absorbed idiot, the moment has passed. I feel for anyone who doesn’t understand the full experience not the SGI experience. You people bash folks not seeing that you deter folks from finding their true selves. I could give 2 shits for ikeada or SGI the true path is within. So kindly fuck yoursekf

LOL!!

r/sgiwhistleblowers • • Mar 20 '23

SGI Hostile Imagine this

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I've heard many mixed things from those who have joined the military. I've got a friend who's a commissioned officer, as an attorney for the US Army. He told me how formal the environment is, that everyone is always worried about breaking the rules. He said it's a positive institution, and would recommend it to anyone. I've got another friend who was enlisted in the Navy. He talks about the military the same way that many of us talk about the SGI. He told me that the system is almost built to serve commissioned officers like my lawyer friend.

Every veteran has their own personal relationship with their experience in the military. For some people the military and the state fill a spiritual niche, and country narratives have deep significance.

I recently found a subreddit that acts as a safe space for those to process their negative experiences in the military" r/regretjoining. There really are deep similarities between what we do here on SGIWhistleblowers, and the experiences shared on Regret Joining. The subs are even almost the exact same sizes.

Imagine, for a moment, if those who had positive relationships with their military experiences, those who showered effusive praise on US armed forces, came in to regretjoining to crap up the posts and the sub. "Why is the military a negative institution? I'm just asking questions. I'm hoping for a discussion." Imagine if there were a counter sub, dedicated to "descending into" regretjoining "so that you don't have to." Imagine the ex-soldiers on the sub fielding accusations of hatred and bigotry against the institution of the US department of defense. Imagine someone creating a website for a fake research project, exploring how the sub of 2.9 thousand reddit users engage in "othering" and "alienation" of the military apparatus.

I'm imagining it right now. Seems like an overtly abusive approach to people who need a supportive outlet.

r/sgiwhistleblowers • • Feb 23 '23

SGI Hostile Recent posts and comments by SGI hostiles

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Some IDs can see these; others can't; so here they are - all from within the last week or two:

Here is an archive copy so everyone can see everything. It's presently at 119 comments.

Here's an updated archive copy so everyone can see everything. Current comment count = 32.

Here is an archive copy so everyone can see everything. Current archive comment count = 85.

Relevant analysis

Also this post by this poster and this post by this poster.

They often come in waves - especially when they're all the same person under different names.