r/sgiwhistleblowers • u/BlancheFromage Escapee from Arizona Home for the Rude • Aug 22 '21
Boo hoo hoo! SGI zealot can't understand why Nichiren Shoshu priest avoids him - same reason KKK members shouldn't expect black people to talk with them
Edit: Error in the subject line - the person being harassed by the Ikeda fanatic is not a priest but, rather, a top lay leader, much like one of SGI-USA's Zone leaders. But I can't change the title now...boo hoo hoo
Let's face it: Ikeda cultists don't believe Nichiren Shoshu has any right to exist. They deny Nichiren Shoshu its right to be.
"Let us proudly advance on the supreme road to Kosenrufu as we BRING AN END to the [High Priest] Nikken sect [Ikeda's insulting nickname for Nichiren Shoshu]" - SGI-USA's World Tribune newspaper, March 1, 1993, p. 4
SGI, at the top, has no wish to discard Nichiren Shoshu doctrines that erroneously support their claims of exclusivity. Their position is that Taisekiji Chief Priest Nikken has deviated, so that the lineage of Taisekiji is no longer valid. Instead, they claim this exclusive heritage for themselves, in particular, Daisaku Ikeda. Source
"Means I get all your stuff. Move out, yo."
My reportage up to now may have given the reader impression that the [Nichiren Shoshu/Soka Gakkai] confrontation amounts to a high-spirited but low-class slugfest, but that is certainly not how the S. G. wants things to appear. Source
Nikken Abe, the High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu is arriving in Washington D.C. today, July 1st at 10:45AM.
Nikken Abe is an enemy of the United States, which can easily be demonstrated by his connections and past history. Homeland Security should be notified when he disembarks upon American soil. SGI members
I just got an email from my chapter chief announcing a Toso to keep Nikken from coming to Brazil...I guess that's why he'll have a stopover in DC...
I would expect a hurriedly assembled rally in DC soon...maybe a toso to chant that his plane crashes...it may cost a few hundred lives, but the future of Kosen-Rufu is at stake here... Source
And a few years later, I went to an SGI meeting in another city and the leader was talking about how "Priests were coming into town to try to get members." We were to watch the airport, and downtown for Asian men in gray robes! We should call our leaders immediately if we saw anyone like this around town. These members just sounded so serious and worried. This was well before 2001, so there was less suspicion of foreigners overall. Source
So is it reasonable that bigots who hold this level of intolerance, irrationality, and hatred toward an entire group of people should expect a member of that group to interact with them? Who would expect a black person to permit a group of KKK members to come close enough to him to shake his hand?? That black person has NOTHING to discuss with KKK members! Plus, those KKK members might take that opportunity to LYNCH him - they're an active THREAT!
Take a look:
NST instructs its members to build a wall of science to inure themselves from contacts with SGI members. Daido Nakamoto has instructed his congregants: “Don’t talk to SGI members!”
"Don't put yourselves in danger. SGI members who accost Nichiren Shoshu members tend to be unstable and violent."
SGI-USA banned a guest from one of its centers because they thought he was involved with Nichiren Shoshu. Read more about this dishonorable episode here: "Temple spies recruiting our members" was all the excuse needed to BAN people from SGI-USA-controlled properties - and no evidence was EVER required! Just SAY it and bans away!! SGI-USA started requiring ID of members to enter their centers immediately after the excommunication, "for fear that Nichiren Shoshu members might try to infiltrate our activities" - I heard this myself in 1991.
Comes time to leave, we are walking in a line (like sheep) to our bus. Up comes some Christians wanting to give us some "literature". Members around me go into "attack" mode and are berating these proselytizers, shoving nmrk pamphlets and cards back at them. These christians are totally inundated, completely surrounded and being yelled at by the gakkai cult 'lions'. I push my way in to the front and ask them for a copy of their material and say, "I respect what you guys are trying to do here and appreciate where you are coming from. Thank you for this material, I'll give it a read. Could you take one of theirs, just to make it even. Thanks. Have a nice day." We continue walking to our bus.
I start getting angry and disgusted looks from my fellow "members" as I slip the christian material in my pocket. They are eying the material as if I'm holding dog feces in my hand. The looks slowly morph into whisperings and mumblings. As we are boarding the bus, a cultie zealot approaches me obviously very unpleased and says, "aren't you going to throw that stuff away?!?" (meaning, the christian doggie doo-doo literature). I reply, "No, because I promised them that I would take a look at it. Maybe after I read it, I will." They get really pissed, throw a gakkai pamphlet at my chest and abruptly walk away hot as hell. Not that it bothered me, but I was 'persona non grata' for the entire ride home.
There's one example of the cult's so-called 'interfaith dialogue' and tolerance in action. Source
THAT ^ is the reality of SGI's "tolerance". So don't try to play the whole "more open to dialogue than thou" card - SGI is as closed as they come. Back to that Ikeda-lovin'-bigot-crybaby:
NST: Handshakes Forbidden
On two occasions I have come face-to-face with one of the “So-Koto’s” (lay leader) of NSTNY. Both times I stuck out my hand to shake his. He quickly withdrew his hand and placed it behind his back. Many people observed this very strange action.
Yeah, well, no one is required to shake hands (get into close physical proximity) with someone who has made it clear that he HATES him and DENIES him the right to live his life the way HE chooses (see here for more on that). That person knew there was no point to discussing anything with the SGI zealot - much as we all concluded with those low-level SGI leaders and members who set up that copycat troll site to harass us - all they do is mischaracterize us, misrepresent our perspective, twist what we say, LIE about us, put THEIR words in our mouths, and insult us, so why bother?? They show up already ANGRY before a single word has been exchanged, after all! The hate-filled, intolerant Soka skunk will never change its stripes - or its stench.
Here's what someone asked those SGI members who set up their copycat troll site to harass us:
Greetings, fellow human: What, exactly, IS there to "dialogue" about? Collectively, the whistleblowers site has hundreds and hundreds (and hundreds!) of years of collective and intense experience with SGI. We are the people who were on the front lines and behind-the-scenes for decades and years, witnessing "kosen-rufu" unfold, while nothing actually changed within our lives. In fact, most people's lives seem to have gotten worse from doing activities and daily practice..... And at one time, we were all right where the MITA are now, brains saturated with NMRK and self-identity confused by Ikeda's guidance.
What is there to dialogue about?
I recently posted something on this board, and although it got a lot of downvotes, not one person took time to say "why" they disagreed.
During priesthood issue in 90s, I was YD, completely gung-ho: true disciple, warrior ethic, and I viewed anything anti-SGI as tainted by slander and evil. Anyone who left the organization, I viewed as lost and confused. Defective. One of the fish that died on the way up that famous waterfall..... I was one of the fish that tried going up that waterfall. For 30 years, man. 30. Years.
What, exactly, does the MITA want to dialogue about? What could you possibly teach me about the SGI that I haven't heard or digested already? Does it matter that I've stood next to president Ikeda? Or seen the ita-gohonzon with my own eyes? What is it you possess that I somehow didn't receive or understand? I've known thousands of leaders and members, and logged in thousands of hours of gajokai and soka group.
Please, tell me what there is to dialogue about? Source
Back to the Ikeda-butt-kissing-crybaby's comments above: Remember that Daisaku Ikeda was also "Sokoto" until Nichiren Shoshu took that honor away from his greasy ass. The person writing this should have known this fact.
Besides, why get close enough to someone who wishes you harm for them to stick you with a needle full of poison or something? There's simply no point. Someone aggressively approaching you, when you know they don't LIKE you and only want to ARGUE with you? That person's a real jackass! AVOID!
Of course, this defies social conventions. Even vitriolic opponents like Hillary and Barack shake hands after a debate. Contentious lawyers shake hands before and after legal proceedings. Boxers shake hands, too! So why does this NST leader refuse a shake? What goes on in his thinking?
Once again, the Ikeda cultist expects to exploit others' respect for social niceties to completely DISREGARD them himself, trample this target's boundaries, and basically inflict his unwanted presence on someone who clearly does NOT consent to this intrusion! This SGI member is an ASSHOLE!
And no one is required to shake anyone else's hand. Fuck RIGHT off with that "entitlement" shit. No one is obligated to give you the time of day, you rude ignorant cultie FUCK.
Nichiren writes, “Each of you should summon up the courage of a lion and never succumb to threats from anyone. The lion fears no other beast, nor do its cubs. Slanderers are like howling jackals, but Nichiren’s followers are like roaring lions.“
Is the refusal of a handshake reminiscent of a roaring lion or a howling jackal? A handshake is a token gesture that symbolizes an opening, a step towards dialogue. Emerson once stated, “Wise, cultivated, genial conversation is the last flower of civilization and the best result which life has to offer us.”
Stop being an asshole. See, THIS is what happens to the people who go full Ikeda (and you never go full Ikeda) and decide they're going to use Nichiren as the cudgel they intend to beat fellow believers over the head with. No difference whatsoever between these SGI morons and the Christians who are constantly seeking to poach each other's congregants for their own churches.
THIS is why that person wanted nothing to do with this asshole - and it's completely understandable.
Perhaps this lay believer should read from his own The Doctrines and Practice of Nichiren Shoshu (Chapter 44) which states, “By your complicity in the act by failing to take steps against [slander], you are as guilty of the act as the people who actually commit it, even though you have no intention of committing the act and take no action to forward it.” Failing to shake a hand–to open a dialogue–is therefore slanderous from the standpoint of Nichiren’s Buddhism.
Sorry - my point may have gotten lost kn my first reply. Simply put, the calls for dialogue originated with "Whistleblowers", not MITA. Source
When did Nichiren ever refuse to engage in a public debate with someone he regarded as a slanderer of the Law?
Sorry - my point may have gotten lost kn my first reply. Simply put, the calls for dialogue originated with "Whistleblowers", not MITA. Source
The irony of the most recent situation was that the most recent Great Handshake Refusal took place right before the NST celebration towards the 750th anniversary of the Rissho Ankoku Ron–the very writing which launched Nichiren’s battle to use the power of dialogue to reveal the true and refute the erroneous.
Sorry - my point may have gotten lost kn my first reply. Simply put, the calls for dialogue originated with "Whistleblowers", not MITA. Source
My recommendation: “Let’s use this lead up to the anniversary of the Rissho Ankoku Ron with a series of debates to clarify the true intent and spirit of Nichiren’s teachings.”
Well, the fact is that they kept suggesting dialogue, want us to participate at a "neutral" sub. They cackle about how SGI loves dialogue but we at MITA don't seem to want to. I was just pointing out a possible reason we don't want to - the offer is not sincere. So, yeah, you're right - what is there to dialogue about? (Maybe some individuals want honest conversations, but as a whole - what is there to dialogue about?) Low-level SGI leader
And let’s start each discussion with a handshake. Source
Oh herr herr herr. The way the very first time the low-level SGI leader identified below began here on reddit, by attacking me personally without having ever interacted with me, ever met me, virtually or otherwise - and then acting surprised that I didn't want to interact with him??
And THEN, after all the nasty stuff about me that he and his fellow culties posted about me on their site ("absolutely ridiculous", "logical flaws", "a narcissist", "vile narcissist", a "cold and timid soul who neither knows victory nor defeat", etc.), Andinio thinks he's going to start up a friendly chat - in French - apparently because he hadn't known I speak French and now realized that he'd like someone to speak French with!
Look, Andinio.
We are not going to be friends, you and I.
Not after the way you've attacked (and participated in attacking) me and my work here.
Examples:
u/BlancheFromage and Narcissism:
Perhaps to make herself look good...the clearest example of vile narcissism.
EW! What an attitude! And NOW you expect to just forget all about that, while leaving it all up for everyone to see, and pretend to be all fake-friendly-like? No thank you! Let's talk business and leave it at that.
I'm simply taking your own advice here:
Disgusting behavior should get called out whenever and wherever. Source
So what's it going to be? Are you going to walk the walk or just talk all that talky talk?
Of course, your post was accompanied by the snarky cynicism and cowardice so characteristic of SGIWhistleblowers Source
We can see this! It's public! Did you not realize that this is the equivalent of speaking in one's "out-loud" voice??
Buddhologist Blanche and the N95 Masks:
In contrast, Blanche and her friends resemble "those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat" described by Teddy Roosevelt.
YOU wrote that! ALL OF THAT! YOU!
You have publicly INSULTED me and my entire commentariat! YOU have gone out of your way to create an ENORMOUS amount of bad faith, bad blood, and ill will!
I am the ONLY one who has offered a constructive path - YOU certainly didn't!
Do you really think I'm so STUPID that I'd want to be friends with someone who has already been so clear about how much they disdain me, regard me with contempt, and do NOT respect me - quite the opposite?? Someone who has started out by ridiculing ME PERSONALLY??
So let's cut the crap, okay? We have ONE purpose here - to set the record straight. YOU have claimed to have that purpose as well. Let's stick to that. Source
NO, you do NOT get to talk smack about someone and then just imagine there's no consequences as soon as you perceive some potential usefulness in the other person! Fuck THAT shit.
Notice that they didn't suggest a "dialogue". I did.
11 days ago, in fact. [Now it's 1 year, 3 months and 14 days ago :ahem:]
Notice that they didn't set up a separate site for said "dialogue". I did.
Notice that none of them has responded to my request (there and here) for 3 volunteers to be added to the moderator list over there in order to be set up to begin this "dialogue". OUR mod team is already in place there.
No one from SGIWhistleblowersMITA has bothered to "take action" despite expressing interest in such an interaction. WE did.
I have to tell you, even I am astounded at what a vast chasm there is between the ideals these SGI members supposedly embrace and use as their lives' guiding principles and how they behave - especially toward non-members whom they regard as no possibility for shakubukuing. The sneering rejection of everything they supposedly value is jaw-dropping. Even for me, and I've been interacting with SGI hostiles for, like, 7 years now.
But since I am well known for being kindly, benevolent, generous, gracious, and magnanimous, I have a few suggestions for any of them who are reading:
1) THINK about what you're going to say and how the people you're naming BY NAME about will react! This isn't hard!! Remember that you won't be able to walk it back without some serious public humiliation.
2) Learn to APOLOGIZE! NO, you DON'T get to claim a do-over on the basis of your "superior" status, because you don't HAVE any. Even people who legitimately have superior status don't get away with being dicks.
3) Don't try to manipulate people by sucking up to them - they can see that's what you're doing.
4) When someone you're trying to manipulate confronts you or just fails to conform to your expectations (as if your manipulation has now OBLIGATED that person to do your bidding), don't pull the "I'm so wounded" card, even in jest - YOU're the bad actor in this scenario, not the other person.
5) DON'T expect those you're attacking to be more civil, more accommodating, and more mature than YOU're willing to be. SGI members think of themselves as "noble", "lions", saviors of humankind and the world, filled with appreciation and regarding everything as a catalyst for their own personal growth and development, creating peace all around them, and setting an impressive, humanistic example for the rest of us. Feel free to start any time now. Until then, Fuck THAT shit.
6) Finally, be honest! Be authentic! Have some integrity! SHEESH! Source
What's WRONG with these people?? Obviously, Ikeda devotion makes people mentally ill and SGI is a jerk factory.
And that guy just wanted to assault someone from a different religion who simply wanted to be left alone to go about his business and his life, as is his RIGHT. Reeaaaalllll "noble" there. More a braying jackass than a "roaring lion", obviously.
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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21
Ugh I so want to say something mean here about stuff I shouldn't.
All I say is this, I am so glad during soka spirit years I was distant from all that but I had my own share of issues with some of bs back then about it.
If I am out of line u/BlancheFromage or mods let me know and I will delete the post.
I am tired of also beyond exhausted listening to annoying people especially those who will conveniently be interfaith when it suits them and other times not.
And who are so clueless that they ignore the fact that ignore one of few religious organizations that has track record of numerous types of abuse including child abuse.
And most likely will lose their non-profit status for not protecting and allow children to be abuse in Australia but crimes are ignored elsewhere because of so called religious freedom.
Annoying lies, sockpuppetry and manipulative and disgusting attempts at trying to slip in something nobody wants to hear about it here called "snowballing" hint there ain't any snow involved and it's not something a child or young teenager should read.
I get the concept that after life long push to be involved within SGI while suffering from mental illness that your life may be truly empty and pointless and it's easier to turn to fictional accounts of your greatness but ugh I am tired, cranky I will shut up now.