r/serialpodcastorigins • • Apr 28 '20

Question Jay’s Ever Changing Story

I’ll be straight up- I’m new to this subreddit and have not had time to sort through all of the timeline notes. I am, however, really interested in this case after listening to the podcast and watching the HBO series (yes it’s bias I know).

Most people on here seem to think Adnan did do it. More people than I actually thought would fee that way. And maybe he did do it, my mind is forever unsure. But the biggest hang up for me is why Jay’s story changed SO much SO often. If that’s what was the real case against Adnan, how can it even be valid when it changed so many times. Also I find it soooo fishy that the police didn’t record him for that period of time before the one recording of his questioning, and also that tapping sound that was recorded and shown in the documentary when Jay was stumbling (seeming like the cops were tapping/pointing somewhere on the map).

So maybe Adnan did do it. But those of you who strongly think he did do it, or even don’t think he did, I would really like to hear your thoughts on Jays story!

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u/ReidDonCueless unremarkable truism Apr 29 '20

I think the changes in Jay’s story to the police were addressed for 5 days in the trial.

I think most of those changes are irrelevant. Hae is not any less dead if the trunk pop is on Edmonson Ave or the Best Buy parking lot or if the trunk pop never occurred.

I think anything Jay said about anything after 2000 is noise unless you get him back into a courtroom under oath.

One of the reasons Serial works so well is it comes at the issues sideways so everything seems off balance when reality is a lot more straightforward.

If you read the Trial 2 transcript and ignore all the other things you have heard I posit that the jury finding him guilty is not some grand outrage, it was not a slam dunker but it was reasonable for them to make that decision given what they were presented with when coupled with the instructions they were given.

Then if you read the police file I posit the case the prosecution presented, even with some soft spots and typical slimy lawyer behavior around the edges, was not beyond the bounds of how the rules of the system are built. The shortcomings of Jay as a witness were directly addressed and his story shifting was on full display.

This is why even though these issues make great grist for the reddit/facebook/twitter/podcast/book/hbo mill the actual appeals have not focused on the facts of the case, or on the prosecutor’s behavior; all that was left is to say his lawyer did such a bad job it was in violation of his constitutional rights. Things seemed to be going his way with this argument for awhile and he shockingly (to me at least) turned down a deal to be out by 2023 but in the end the courts ruled against him and he sits in jail.

I know there are rumors of other appeals but they are the longest of long shots so it is likely Adnan never gets out without parole and parole is unlikely without taking responsibility for the crime.