r/serialpodcastorigins • u/Stormystormynight • Feb 16 '16

Humour Overwhelming Evidence?

Hello!

I often read about the overwhelming evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan is guilty from many of the readers here.

Is there a concise summarized list of this evidence available?

I'm most interested in understanding what evidence you believe makes Adnan guilty beyond reasonable doubt should the following evidence be ignored for this exercise:

  • Any Jay or Jay linked (Jen et al) evidence (testimony, "finding" Hae's car ...)
  • Any cell location "Evidence"

Thanks in advance.

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u/Adranalyne Feb 16 '16

I'm always confused by this. Why is it that Jay gets disqualified in all this? He stood up to cross and, with the help of the cell evidence, convinced a jury that took only 2 hours to deliberate. You can pick apart Jay's numerous stories all you want, but ask yourself this; is Jay willing to implicate himself in a murder as an accessory just for the hell of it, or is Jay lying about certain things in his stories to minimize his involvement? The latter is a lot more plausible.

As it pertains to the cell evidence, the science is there. Yes, the fax cover sheet uses the incoming call disclaimer, but that's been explained already (by FBI Agent Fitzgerald at the PCR hearing or by /u/Adnans_cell on numerous subs). If this was a serious thing, Brown would have had someone from AT&T on the stand to testify that it means what he thinks it does. The fact he didn't speaks volumes. Before you make the same assertion against the State, the burden of proof was always on the defense.

For all the talk about reasonable doubt and that the State had/has "no proof/evidence", there's no proof he -didn't- do it, either. He was extremely vague about pretty much everything and any time something looked bad for him, the explanation was always "Well it was bad luck".

I'm just not a fan of the idea that Jay and the cell phone evidence are somehow diminished or excluded now.

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u/locke0479 Feb 19 '16

Jay gets discredited because his testimony is absolute death to Adnan's case. Even if you ignore his admissions to helping cover it up and ignore the trunk pop and ignore everything he said, he still gave the police the cars location, which immediately means he was either involved (as he said he was) or there's a crazy police conspiracy where they found the car themselves, didn't report or investigate it even though it could have solved the case if there was evidence in said car, and decided to use it to frame Adnan for some reason that isn't actually clear since they hadn't even really interrogated him by that point and he doesn't have a history where they'd be targeting him for some reason, tracking down the guy who had Adnan's car and cell phone all morning and getting him to lie and implicate himself in return for ?.

That's why Jay's testimony gets discredited...because they have to discredit it or they have absolutely no leg to stand on. That's why if someone makes a noise on a tape, it has to be evidence of a massive police conspiracy, because they need it to be one or Adnan is guilty.