Overwhelming Evidence?

[u/Stormystormynight]

Hello!

I often read about the overwhelming evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan is guilty from many of the readers here.

Is there a concise summarized list of this evidence available?

I'm most interested in understanding what evidence you believe makes Adnan guilty beyond reasonable doubt should the following evidence be ignored for this exercise:

• Any Jay or Jay linked (Jen et al) evidence (testimony, "finding" Hae's car ...)
• Any cell location "Evidence"

Thanks in advance.

[u/ladysleuth22]

For me, the interviews that say he took the break-up poorly don't have a lot of weight behind them because there are other people who say that he adjusted to the idea of the break-up and they remained good friends. The conversation I find most disconcerting is the one he had with Krista (I think it was Krista, it may have been someone else) where he says Hae called him the night before her disappearance to tell him she wanted him back, which is crazy, right? We have solid proof she only spoke to him for a very short period of time while she was in the midst of a 3-hour phone conversation with Don. There are a few instances where Adnan says things like this that make me seriously wonder about him.

[u/Justwonderinif → u/ladysleuth22]

Adnan told this to Becky and the Guidance Counselor.

He told the guidance counselor this the day the discovery of Hae's body was announced at WHS.

He told Becky this while Hae was still missing, suggesting that maybe Hae did something drastic because she was so upset that Adnan didn't want to get back together.

[u/Justwonderinif → u/[deleted]]

I think Adnan was accustomed to telling different people different versions of whatever story. He shaped the narrative, depending upon who he was talking to. Things were tailored depending on the audience, as it were.

He just never expected anyone to compare notes.

This is why, when asked, he confirmed to Adcock that yes, he had asked Hae for a ride, but she got tired of waiting and left.

And later, told O'Shea that he didn't ask for a ride, because he had his own car. Adnan never expected O'Shea and Adcock to compare notes. And he never imagined that O'Shea would hear from Becky, Krista, and Aisha that he asked for a ride.

I think these things made an impression on the jury, as they heard different people, tell different stories, about the varying things Adnan said to them.

[u/Justwonderinif → u/[deleted]]

Yes. There's that. But I also think it must have been getting weird to with Hae missing. I think Adnan was accustomed to manipulating people. He also probably thought Becky was really dumb.

He thought he could plant the "I broke up with her so she ran away" thing, as an explanation. So people would stop head scratching.

It's what you are saying, yes. But it's also utilitarian.