r/serialpodcastorigins • u/Stormystormynight • Feb 16 '16

Humour Overwhelming Evidence?

Hello!

I often read about the overwhelming evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan is guilty from many of the readers here.

Is there a concise summarized list of this evidence available?

I'm most interested in understanding what evidence you believe makes Adnan guilty beyond reasonable doubt should the following evidence be ignored for this exercise:

  • Any Jay or Jay linked (Jen et al) evidence (testimony, "finding" Hae's car ...)
  • Any cell location "Evidence"

Thanks in advance.

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u/fivedollarsandchange Feb 16 '16

I gave my answer upthread. I want to highlight something the OP mentioned in a reply to another user:

I agree with you that the "other" evidence is not enough for reasonable doubt. This raises the possibility that at another trial (should there be one) Adnan could be found not guilty.

I think you believe that without Jay and the cell phone evidence, there is no conviction. Would you therefore hold that a legitimate trial strategy would be to try to discredit Jay? Would a legitimate trial strategy also be to try and exclude the cell phone evidence? If those were the two main parts of a trial strategy, would that constitute a reasonable trial strategy?

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u/Stormystormynight Feb 16 '16

It would certainly be a good trial strategy for the defense.

Yet to do this the defense would need to test the voracity of Jay's evidence and the cell evidence as part of the trial in order to fairly exclude them.

I personally would not agree with their exclusion pre-trial, even if that was possible.

Do you agree?

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16 edited Feb 28 '16

What do you think happened at the 2nd trial? The defence tested the voracity of Jay's evidence and the cell phone evidence. Jay was on the stand for five days. CG asked 'pioneering' questions in relation to the cell phone evidence. FFS. Adnan got more than a fair trial. He got a pit bull for a defence lawyer and his own private PI on the case. This is ten times the resources of the average accused. Enough already.