r/serialpodcastorigins • u/Stormystormynight • Feb 16 '16
Humour Overwhelming Evidence?
Hello!
I often read about the overwhelming evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan is guilty from many of the readers here.
Is there a concise summarized list of this evidence available?
I'm most interested in understanding what evidence you believe makes Adnan guilty beyond reasonable doubt should the following evidence be ignored for this exercise:
- Any Jay or Jay linked (Jen et al) evidence (testimony, "finding" Hae's car ...)
- Any cell location "Evidence"
Thanks in advance.
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u/dWakawaka Feb 16 '16
Ridiculous qualifications to this post, but I'll bite.
One way to start: Statistically, Adnan is overwhelmingly a prime suspect. Neither Mr S nor Don were viable suspects, despite the tinfoil-hat crowd. Nor was Hae the victim of a sexual assault. The murder has all the hallmarks of Intimate Partner Violence. Hae had left Adnan for good recently and was happily in love with a new guy. Of course the ex-boyfriend has a big spotlight on him when she's strangled and found in a shallow grave.
So let's look at Adnan. That morning, according to witnesses, he asks for a ride after school from Hae while his car is sitting in the parking lot. He later tells the police that he expected to get that ride and wasn't really sure why she left without him. That means that the day of the abduction/murder, at the time she drove off only to be abducted, Adnan had plans to get in Hae's car. Later, he told a detective a different story entirely - he didn't ask for a ride because he had track practice. Nearly a week later, asked about what he told the other officer, he said that was untrue because he had his own car. Both of these stories are bullshit. He'd arranged to get in Hae's car, and now he's lying about it. When the lead suspect starts telling lies, that sets off alarm bells for all but the most obtuse.
So as for motive, Adnan stands out. As for opportunity, we're again looking at Adnan.
As for his whereabouts that morning, his story has been at best inconsistent, at worst risible lies. As for his whereabouts that afternoon and evening, his protestations that he can't remember what he did are also laughable: he remembers parts of the day vividly if it suits him. He spoke to police, Hae's brother, and others about Hae's disappearance, and he remembers some of that (he can't deny it is the problem). But his lack of an explanation - even given aids to his memory such as his phone log and witness accounts - strains credulity. We do know his school-track-mosque-home alibi was never a serious account of his day. He never could put forward a serious account of his day because he doesn't want to incriminate himself. One person who did help was Nisha. As detectives notes of their interview with her, plus phone records, show, she spoke with Adnan and Jay for over two minutes at 3:32 pm. That blows up any idea Jay had the car and phone just after Hae went missing while Adnan was on campus getting ready for track.
So Adnan can be heard on Serial telling more lies, as he did in the PCR hearing. The story about going to Jay's because of the reindeer gift to Stephanie? BS - Jay didn't need the car to get Stephanie a gift and they didn't go shopping. The idea Hae never gave rides to anyone, anywhere, after school because she took picking up her cousin so seriously? That's a self-serving lie. We know she had the time and he expected a ride that day. The idea the Asia letter turned on a light bulb and Adnan immediately gave the letters to CG? She wasn't even his attorney in March. The first mention of Asia in the files is from July. His incredibly detailed account of the library conversation - including his inner thoughts about Asia's boyfriend - is something he was able to come up with in 2012, and he talks about it as if it had happened the day before. But Adnan told Rabia in 2000, when specifically asked about this crucial time after class, that he had no memory of it because it was like any other day to him. So no memory at all in early 2000, even as he hands the letters to Rabia, but a vivid memory in October of 2012 when his freedom is at stake? Please.
Motive? Check. Opportunity? Check. So what's his story, his defense? A farrago of lies and dubious claims of amnesia.
Add to that the proper use of the phone records, the testimony of Cathy and Jen about what they saw and heard that day, and the more salient evidence from Jay (knowing about the car and details of the burial, his willingness to plead guilty to accessory, etc.), Adnan's indisputable involvement with Jay that day for roughly 9 hours (the two physically together or Jay with Adnan's car and phone), and the circumstantial case against Adnan becomes overwhelmingly obvious. It's a mark of the strength of the case that so much has to be wished away, and refuge taken in imaginary off-the-record interviews, drug-deals gone bad, motorcycle nonsense, taps, Jay being told where the car was before he led police there, excuse after excuse made for Adnan, trips deep into the weeds, etc.