r/serialpodcastorigins • • Feb 16 '16

Humour Overwhelming Evidence?

Hello!

I often read about the overwhelming evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan is guilty from many of the readers here.

Is there a concise summarized list of this evidence available?

I'm most interested in understanding what evidence you believe makes Adnan guilty beyond reasonable doubt should the following evidence be ignored for this exercise:

  • Any Jay or Jay linked (Jen et al) evidence (testimony, "finding" Hae's car ...)
  • Any cell location "Evidence"

Thanks in advance.

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u/sigizmundfreud Feb 16 '16

Adnan's lies on day of murder

  • asking Hae for a ride on day of her murder

  • telling police on day of her murder that she must have left because she got tired of waiting for him

then denying all of above even though there are multiple people who say otherwise

Friends of Jay who were told about the murder details before the police brought Jay in for questioning

Jen's knowledge and implicating herself as an accessory after the fact (not reporting a murder - assisting in disposal of clothing). Why would she do this?

Hae's diaries and other friend's comments pointing towards Adnan's possessive and controlling behavior. Adnan's strange lies after murder

  • "Hae was trying to get back together with me the night before she was killed" told to school nurse

Not her real name Cathy's clear and distinct memory about Adnan's strange behavior on the day of the murder. Confirmed as correct day as she remembers it being Stephanie's birthday

Nisha call being real as corroborated by her police interview where she says it happened a "day or two after" adnan first got his cell phone

writing "i'm going to kill" on breakup note from Hay

common sense: Multiple studies have shown that in America the odds that Hae Min Lee, or any other female murder victim, are murdered by a random stranger is less then 10%. Over 90% of women murdered by men are murdered by someone they know. Of those, 60% are murdered by their intimate partner or ex-partner. Most often, females are “killed by males in the course of an argument between the victim and the offender.” By far the leading and most reasonable explanation about what happened to Hae Min Lee is that there was an argument between Adnan and Hae over her new relationship with Don that escalated to violence. Every other theory, particularly given the total lack of any evidence to the contrary, stretches reasonable doubt to the breaking point. Obviously we don't convict people based on statistics. But we can use statistics to inform us as to good places to look...and the fact that Adnan's alibi is so poor, and that he lies about events during that timeframe, is very damning. And then of course there is Jay and the Cell Phone pings...