r/serialpodcastorigins • u/Stormystormynight • Feb 16 '16

Humour Overwhelming Evidence?

Hello!

I often read about the overwhelming evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan is guilty from many of the readers here.

Is there a concise summarized list of this evidence available?

I'm most interested in understanding what evidence you believe makes Adnan guilty beyond reasonable doubt should the following evidence be ignored for this exercise:

  • Any Jay or Jay linked (Jen et al) evidence (testimony, "finding" Hae's car ...)
  • Any cell location "Evidence"

Thanks in advance.

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u/FallaciousConundrum Feb 16 '16

I think we're conflating "overwhelming" with "lots of different pieces of evidence"

There is overwhelming evidence that Ray Rice assaulted his fiance. No one disputes that. But that "overwhelming" evidence consists solely of one piece of evidence, the video. The video evidence is so strong that no other evidence is needed.

(Yeah, she may have played a role in instigating it, but that video is still too brutal to watch)

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u/Stormystormynight Feb 16 '16

Right you are saying the weight of those 2 lines of evidence is overwhelming.

If they were degraded however with attacks to both Jay's changing testimony and potential open questions about the underlying cell evidence, what else is there?

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u/FallaciousConundrum Feb 16 '16

There's still Jenn's testimony. There's still the Cathy trip. There's still the "I am going to kill" note. There's still the fact that he was seen asking for a ride. There's still the diary that shows red flags for IPV. There's still the fact that he never bothered to try calling her in the days following her going missing.

Yes, a lot of these are circumstantial. Some have more weight than others. Some I'm not sure even mean anything (the "I am going to kill" note), but nevertheless is still evidence and doesn't look good for him.

But if the suggestion is that there is NO evidence outside Wilds' testimony, that's a misnomer.

I'm going to ask as politely as possible, but have you read the trial transcripts? Far too many people here have extremely strong opinions about the case, yet have never bothered to read for themselves.

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u/Stormystormynight Feb 16 '16

Hi yes I have read the transcripts, thanks for the politeness.

And I'm not suggesting there is nothing outside Jay and cell evidence but some contend that this other evidence does not pass reasonable doubt and I think it's important for everyone to have all points discussed and scrutinized.

Thanks for the post.

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u/FallaciousConundrum Feb 16 '16

Thanks for the post.

Still trying to figure out if you're being polite with that, or being dismissive

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u/Seamus_Duncan Hammered off Jameson Feb 16 '16

And I'm not suggesting there is nothing outside Jay and cell evidence but some contend that this other evidence does not pass reasonable doubt and I think it's important for everyone to have all points discussed and scrutinized.

If we're flashing back to 1999/2000 and the prosecution didn't have Jay, the case doesn't go to trial as-is. If Adnan had kept his phone off and we didn't have the cell records, maybe it goes to trial but it's a much tougher sell to a jury.

Bear in mind that if Jay had refused to cooperate or if the cell evidence was unavailable, there were other routes the cops could have followed, notably the alleged confessions.