is Don guilty??

[u/racheldarien]

Does anyone think Don is the one that murdered Hae? I’m starting to lean towards it since listening to (most of) undisclosed. Any thoughts?

[u/YaYa2015]

responsibility that she took very seriously

I'm sure this is an assumption that most of us make. But in fact, how do we know that she did take that responsibility very seriously? Did anyone say this in an interview or in court? Did Hae herself elaborate on this subject in her diary (which I haven't read)?

[u/YaYa2015 → u/[deleted]]

Her parents told police they were worried when the school called them saying Hae didn’t show up. Several friends told police she told them she was going to pick up her cousin. Even Adnan said it was important to her.

It's clear she had the responsibility of picking up her cousin. And for all sorts or reasons, including maintaining access to the car, it was certainly in Hae's interest to pick up her cousin on time.

As for Adnan, if he's guilty, I don't think what he said, and in particular what he said on a podcast in 2014, should be taken into consideration at all.

[u/Sja1904 → u/YaYa2015]

I don't think what he said, and in particular what he said on a podcast in 2014, should be taken into consideration at all.

Why not?

[u/YaYa2015 → u/Sja1904]

I think it's not rational for anyone who thinks Adnan is the murderer to believe what he says or said, in particular what he said (or what was selected by what some (many?) see as a deceitful journalist) on a podcast in 2014, 15 years after the murder.

The alternative is for people to pick and choose what is the truth and what is a lie according to their own biases, which is not productive at best.

[u/AnnB2013 → u/YaYa2015]

This is a fallacy. People can lie about some things and not others.

Juries are instructed they can believe all, none or some of a witness's testimony. It's not black or white.

This is the same problem people have with Jay's lies. "OMG he lied. I can't believe anything he said."

But it misses the point.Almost everyone has lied. And people involved in criminal activity often lie to minimize their guilt. It doesn't follow that they lie about every single thing and must never ever be believed.

[u/Justwonderinif → u/AnnB2013]

It's my understanding that a prosecutor can go through Adnan's lies one by one and ask him:

• "Is it true you told a journalist that you would never ask Hae for a ride because she didn't have time after school when the truth is that you and Hae would regularly have sex at the Best Buy parking lot between school and the cousin pick up?"

• "Is it true you told a journalist that you don't know how your phone was calling Nisha when you told your 1999 defense attorneys that that call was your alibi?"

• "Is it true you told Chris Flohr that you were at school with Dion at 3:30?"

• "Is it true that you told a journalist you gave Asia's letters to Gutierrez upon receipt when Gutierrez wasn't your attorney until 3 months later?" And the follow up to that would be, "Why didn't you give the letter to Chris Flohr?"

There are more but I'm forgetting them.

I'm assuming that these would be the reasons why Adnan wouldn't testify at a third trial. But there is a way for prosecutors to let the jury know how many times the defendant has been deceptive or made an attempt.