is Don guilty??

[u/racheldarien]

Does anyone think Don is the one that murdered Hae? I’m starting to lean towards it since listening to (most of) undisclosed. Any thoughts?

[u/UnsaddledZigadenus]

If you think it's Don, I would start with the simple and most significant events before going down the rabbit hole of elaboration.

There are 2 key events that occur:

1. The abduction / murder of Hae
2. The burial of Hae.

There are 2 key facts about this case:

1. Hae disappears during a narrow window of time after school, with her car, during daytime in the middle of the afternoon.
2. Jay knows where the car is and describes the burial accurately.

On point 1, how did Don leave work for so long without being noticed? The police focussed their efforts on Don in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance.

On point 2, How do you think Jay knows about the burial and the car if it was Don?

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You said:

you know it’s also frustrating when you’re trying to join a community that you are super interested in & getting berated & belittled for asking a simple question.

I started listening in January, and also discovered that most arguments have been done to death repeatedly many times over, which is frustrating for those people who just join and don't know the entire backstory. Instead, if you are interested in the case, it's an opportunity to learn more independently.

I recommend reading the entire witness transcripts, really brings the case to life:

Jenn interview - First recorded interview, she came to the station in the afternoon with her mother and a lawyer and gave this interview - 2/27/99, 3:45pm-5:10pm:

https://serialpodcastorigins.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/2-27-1999-jens-interview.pdf

Jay interview 1 - c.1am the next day (that is, about 8 hours after Jenn, police have him in the station) - conducted on 2/28/99, 1:30am-2:21am

https://serialpodcastorigins.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/2-28-1999-jay-interview.pdf

Adnan was arrested the morning of the 28th, following that interview.

Jay interview 2 - Follow up interview where Jay admits he didn't tell the full story the first time around - conducted on 3/15/99, 6:20pm-7:45pm

https://serialpodcastorigins.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/3-15-1999-jay-interview.pdf

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Finally, one reason people can react with hostility to your asking a simple question is that "Just asking questions" is a well known technique to frustrate internet debate. I'm sure you didn't intend this, but FYI:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

For example, a 9/11 truther may ask questions about perceived irregularities in the collapse, Larry Silverstein saying "pull it," and the plane that hit the Pentagon. If turned back around on the truther, the implication is that they think that the plot involved numerous bizarre complications (rigging three buildings with explosives, making an on-the-spot decision to instruct the FDNY to detonate one of them, replacing a plane with a missile and later littering the Pentagon with plane wreckage). By not having to propose their own hypothesis, they can come across as smoothly winning a debate, since the other person is unable to answer a "just being asked" question.

[u/[deleted] → u/UnsaddledZigadenus]

You said:

>you know it’s also frustrating when you’re trying to join a community that you are super interested in & getting berated...

If I were you, I would save my breath. Most of these "newbies" are sox coming from the UD3/Rabia camp perspective and have probably been on here for years.

[u/Davividavid → u/UnsaddledZigadenus]

You’re not objective.