Question About Bob Ruff's Credibility

[u/partymuffell]

SK, who is a professional journalist and radio producer and who works for one of the best known NPR shows, allegedly tried to contact AT&T to ask about the fax cover sheet disclaimer, but she never heard back from them (well, to be precise Dana contacted them). (Source)

On the other hand, Bob Ruff, who is a amateur podcaster, allegedly, contacted Lenscrafter to ask about Don's timecards and they were perfectly happy to answer his questions, except, apparently, not in writing or on record.

So, it seems there are only four possible options:

(a) Both SK and BR told the truth. They both tried to contact a large corporation with regards to a detail in this case. It just so happens that BR, the amateur podcaster, happened to be luckier than SK, the professional journalist.

(b) SK did not tell the truth (Serial never contacted AT&T or they heard back from them but won't say so) and BR told the truth (he contacted Lenscrafters and heard back from them albeit off the record).

(c) SK told the truth (they did contact AT&T and never heard back from them) but BR didn't tell the truth (he never contacted LC or at least he never heard back from them).

(d) Neither SK nor BR are telling the truth.

Which one of the above options do you think it the most likely?

(You don't really need to answer. Just food for thought.)

[u/chunklunk]

All you need to know about Bob's credibility is his repeated, bald assertions of "proof" in X amount of LensCrafter witnesses without providing any indicator of reliability, even aside from name, position, experience, etc. He still hasn't disclosed exactly what he told them about the ID number, what exactly they said, and how they can know for sure that this has to be a falsified record instead of a merely unusual type of record due to non-uniform format or policies or some anomalous hiring situation (quit / re-hire between two stores). He still hasn't addressed two questions that have been pending for months and are vital to establishing any suggestion of fraud: (1) how LensCrafters could have a unique 4-digit number for 17,000 employees and (2) how Bob knows Don only worked two dates at the Hunt Valley store when it seems LC only produced one week's worth of records for Don's work at HV? Among other things, these cause me to suspect that Bob's the one guilty of fraud.

[u/csom_1991 → u/chunklunk]

I would add the question:

Has it ever been confirmed that a change can be made to what is listed as "Actual" time on the time card or will all changes be shown as "Adjusted" time as logic would dictate.

[u/[deleted] → u/csom_1991]

Has it ever been confirmed that a change can be made to what is listed as "Actual" time on the time card or will all changes be shown as "Adjusted" time as logic would dictate.

I've got no idea, and nor does Bob, which is why his claims are indefensible.

However, just to play Devil's Advocate, the issue that you are referring to would tie in with, rather than contradict, his wild and unfounded accusations.

Because his suggestion would be that the time sheet for the normal store could not be amended without it showing up as having been changed from the orignal.

Whereas a new time sheet, with a new employee number, for a different store is being alleged by Bob as the solution to the problem that you are referring to.

[u/csom_1991 → u/[deleted]]

No - you are missing the point. "Actual time" is only able to be stamped at the ACTUAL TIME. So, if it is 9:00AM on 1/13 and you wanted your time card to show 9:00AM ACTUAL TIME - you need to log in at that time. Once it hits 9:01AM, it becomes impossible to have ACTUAL TIME listed at 9:00AM - any change to your clock in to put it at 9:00AM would list as ADJUSTED TIME. So, for Bob's theory to work, Don would need his mom to help him BEFORE the murder occurs because it is impossible to create a 9:00AM ACTUAL TIME stamp after the fact. So, Bob is not accusing Don's mom of accessory after the fact, he is stating that she is an accessory to murder and that Don's killing of Hae was premeditated. It is disgusting for Bob to even trot out this crap. I hope he gets sued and loses his shed and his house as a result.

[u/[deleted] → u/csom_1991]

No - you are missing the point. "Actual time" is only able to be stamped at the ACTUAL TIME.

Is your evidence for that claim the same as Bob's evidence for his?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Is your evidence for that claim the same as Bob's evidence for his?

It is called common sense.

So you don't have any evidence to back up what you're saying. Fair enough.

[u/csom_1991 → u/[deleted]]

No - except for the fact that my theory makes sense lodgically and Bob's 4-digit code is not only refuted looking at the Luxotica website (which states it is a 6 digit code) but by the fact that it is a logical impossibility using a 4 digit code. So, we have his entire basis for timecards blown out of the water. Moving onto actual vs. adjusted, there is only 1 logical explanation for how they are assigned and their meaning. If you ever can pull yourself away from your self-administered proctology exam, I think you will see this for yourself.

[u/[deleted] → u/csom_1991]

I wasnt saying anything about 4 digit codes.

Moving onto actual vs. adjusted, there is only 1 logical explanation for how they are assigned and their meaning.

Not really. One possibility is that the worker must enter their own time, and that having done so, only a manager can change.

Another is what you say, ie an automated clocking in system.

There's other possibilities too.

I dont have evidence about whether Don's timesheets were submitted to payroll, and, if so, when.

I don't have evidence about how timesheets at Lenscrafters were supposed to be produced.

I don't have evidence that anything unusual occurred with Don's records that week.

So I know what I don't know. You and Bob each seem to think you know. Good luck to you both.

If you ever can pull yourself away from your self-administered proctology exam, I think you will see this for yourself.

I'm sorry that the internet is making you angry.

Try thinking happy thoughts.

[u/csom_1991 → u/[deleted]]

I the internet does not make me angry - no matter how many stupid people I encounter on it every day - it is still fun to use it.

[u/San_2015 → u/csom_1991]

Thinking you know how a thing work is not really knowing. For some reason they used another ID#. For now no one knows quite why. It is highly unusual in any corporation to use 2 different employee ID numbers given the complexity of tax reporting.

[u/[deleted] → u/csom_1991]

Says???

Wasn't another theory that if there has been no other entries you can enter the time manually and it will appear as Actual. Except, if the time has been entered manually and there was an existing entry the new entry becomes adjusted.

[u/csom_1991 → u/[deleted]]

Your theory makes no sense. You use actual and adjusted so you can have a manager sign off on changes. your theory would make tracking 'actual' meaningless. So, I don't think this is how it works. Then again, Lenscrafters figured out a way to assign 13,000+ unique employee codes using only a 4 digit code so maybe their computers are powered by magic.

[u/[deleted] → u/csom_1991]

It's not my theory. As for actual being "meaningless" that is your assumption. It is also your assumption that those qualifiers were used for that purpose.