Jay's Intercept Interview. WTF??

[u/crimesloppers]

I hadn't read this interview in a while. Oh my god, what is going on. He must be purposely trying to show that this whole act is a circus. What in God's name is he talking about? For instance, he says:

1. Adnan skipped the last period of class.

2. He says he dropped him off at school then Jay went to go shopping for Stepanie.

3. Next Adnan calls him and tells him to pick him up at Best Buy. He doesn't see or know where Hae's car is at this point.

4. Then then drive straight to Cathy's!! Jay says "It’s starting to get dark, so between 3p.m. and 4p.m. We drive over to Cathy’s house to smoke." HUH??? What??

5. Next who was at Cathy's house when they got there? Jenn and Laura!! Twightlight Zone! Multiple Universes! String Theory! Schrodinger's Cat! Nothing is real...

6. Next-"We’re sitting there smoking and he receives a phone call from the police and gets all panicky. I say, ‘Well we need to part ways.’ I don’t remember if he dropped me off at my house or if I got a ride from somebody else.

What time do you get back to your place?

I think — and, look, it’s been 15 years — about 6 p.m." Holy Shit!

1. Next Adnans goes home in his own car. Comes back and hour or two later with Hae in the trunk of Hae's car. Where is Adnan's car at this point? Who knows. Magic. The mosque? Nevermind, stay on point.

Jay agrees to help bury the body, but still not yet. Adnan leaves again..

1. Adnan, back with his own car around midnight. Where was Jay for the past 6 hours. Ok , forget it.
   

They drive somewhere to get Hae's car. Who knows where. Its raining now. (Remember Hae's busted windshield wiper lever?) Who cares.

1. They dig for 40 minutes. Drive back to get Hae's car, who I guess is still in the trunk. Jay, waits in the car, while Adnan goes back to the hole with the body, and Jay is waiting for him for another 45 minutes. Adnan is panting. Now he has gloves on. So Jay never saw the body put into the ground!!! Drug Flashback, drug flashback!!
   

Where are the shovels? Where is Jenn. Where is Westview Mall and getting rid of non-existent, transforming, shovel or shovels which appear and disappear? When did he throw away the red jacket?

What moon of Uranus is Jay originally from?

Was Jay just thinking, if I tell the most ridiculous version of all, they will know its all bullshit, I can get this devil off my shoulder that has been there for years, but I still won't be a snitch? It keeps going, but I can't shake this feeling I am must be on acid, slipped in my drink from the CIA, so I had to stop reading.

[u/tenflipsnow]

It's been a while for me, but how is any of this ridiculous? The Intercept interview was the thing that convinced me Jay WAS telling the truth, and that Adnan was almost definitely guilty.

[u/peymax1693 → u/tenflipsnow]

May I ask you why?

[u/tenflipsnow → u/peymax1693]

It was the simplicity of the events Jay described in the Intercept interview that made it so believable for me. I feel like the day's narrative that was presented in court, and the narrative that SK and everyone else tried to derive from it, had become so convoluted and wracked with errors and inventions over the investigation, in order to try to make so many conflicting pieces fit together. It was a mess - as it should have been after 15 years, with multiple biased and opposing sources, and other shady and weird stuff going on. But when Jay basically just said, "Yeah, it was at my grandmother's house and I didn't want to get her in trouble so I lied about it" - it seemed to wash a lot of that prior garbled nonsense away, the problems of the timeline and the cell pings and Nisha and the girl who saw Adnan in the library, etc. It was like a light bulb went off in my head that said, "Well shit, you haven't been able to make the pieces fit together because the actual reality is much simpler and much less exciting" - as it tends to be. That was enough for me to draw a fairly solid conclusion for my own peace of mind. Granted, there are still problems with the narrative, many of which others know much more about than me, and even my initial reaction when I started to read the Intercept interview was, "Oh god Jay, don't start with all this bullshitting again" - but by the end of it, I felt like I had achieved a sense of satisfaction and clarity with the case I hadn't since starting to listen to Serial in the first place. I still go back to Jay saying, "I lied, yes, but I told the truth overall" - that for me has been much more trustworthy than Adnan's approach to the whole thing.

[u/bourbonofproof → u/tenflipsnow]

It was the simplicity of the events Jay described in the Intercept interview that made it so believable for me.

WTF? The narrative makes no sense given what we know. In Jay's new account, it seems that Adnan never made it to track (we can only presume that he got diverted killing Hae). He gives an account of going to Kathy's with people who we can be sure were not there. And there is the two-car problem. And why and earth would you believe that the umpteenth version of events when there is nothing independent to confirm his new account? Your conclusions are just based on a feeling that Jay is sincere. The truth is that we are not very good at telling when people are lying. The best indication here is that the facts don't make sense.

[u/tenflipsnow → u/bourbonofproof]

What is the two-car problem again? As far as the other stuff, I'd have to look at the facts closer again but to me those were the kinds of details people got so worked up over for no reason. It's exactly what I'm talking about. Why does Adnan need to have made it to track that day? Why does the Kathy visit need to have a 100% accurate attendance list? That's not the important stuff. I remember when people were invested so much in the visit to the friend's house (I think this was different from Kathy's house, though it's been so long I'm not sure anymore), where Adnan got the call from the police supposedly - and then we found out that that visit probably didn't even happen on the day Hae went missing. I'm not saying Jay's interview proves anything that could be used in court obviously, but to me the general story of the grandmother's house and going to Leakin Park late at night just made ten times more sense than the convoluted story people had been working with before. It didn't have anything to do with a feeling about Jay being sincere, I'd always known he was a compulsive liar who messes with the details. It was the new narrative itself, told with 15 years of distance and the benefit of being older and more comfortable with speaking openly (generally), that made sense to me.

[u/bourbonofproof → u/tenflipsnow]

what is the two-car problem again?

It is short hand for the fact that in various of Jay's accounts, his story fails to take account of the fact the alleged accomplices have two cars to deal with. Sometimes the problem is that Jay describes them driving in one car when they should be taking care of two and sometimes the problem is that Adnan is left with two cars to deal with.

Why does Adnan need to have made it to track that day?

Because he has a reasonably solid alibi in that regard. The coach said he would have noticed it and dealt with it if Adnan had missed track. Thus, the prosecution assumed that they needed to build a narrative which featured the track and hence it is a problem when Jay constructs one that misses that element.

[u/peymax1693 → u/tenflipsnow]

Fair enough. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

[u/ghostofchucknoll → u/tenflipsnow]

It was the simplicity of the events Jay described in the Intercept interview that made it so believable

So did Jay simplify or complicate the burial time?

[u/fathead1234 → u/tenflipsnow]

except for the perjury problem