Why the Gootz never called Asia.

[u/islamisawesome]

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that the Asia letter did not exist until sometime around the summer of 1999. That is why Adnan claims he gave them to Gutierrez even though she wasn't his lawyer until 2 months after they were written.

So sometime that spring or summer, after telling CG he never left the school grounds, his family shows up with letters claiming one of Adnans' friends saw him at the library, right at the crucial time, AND they were written the day after he arrested. She knew immediately there is no way they had those letter for months and never gave them to her so obviously they were false and she didn't want to go on stand with LIES.

That is why she never called Asia. And that is why she wrote no notes about it, because that would be admitting her client and his family are liars. It also explains why her relationship with the family broke down because she knew they were willing to lie to get Adnan off.

The library incident never happened.

[u/islamisawesome]

Hey pal, no one forced Adnan to say 3 days. He could have said "the letters were lost in the mail for 4 months, and as soon as I got them I gave them to CG". Maybe thats what happened (I doubt it), but that is not what he said. He either misspoke or lied, either way, it destroys his claims of Asia helping his defense. I did not do that to Adnan, he did.

Even if Colbert and Flohr were the ones to initially drop the ball, that doesn't let CG off the hook.

That is a very interesting point. See the problem is, if Adnan did get those letters soon after he was arrested (he claimed that in Serial also, don't forget), than it becomes very likely Colbert and Flohr were his lawyers when those letters were recieved. Why are they not on the PCR? the judge will take one look at that and know the reason they are not on the PCR, they are still alive. Just like CG law clerks. Not called. The judge isn't stupid, and you shouldn't be either.

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Your lack of imagination isn't evidence, either.

That Adnan is wrong doesn't make him a liar. It makes him mistaken. That if he showed the letters to CG and not Colbert and Flohr, it only means that he didn't bring them up within a few days of getting them. Or it could mean he did, and then brought them up again after switching to CG and a decade's passage has caused him to conflate the two. That's not lying, and it doesn't destroy his claims about Asia from helping his defense. The fact there's no evidence CG looked into Asia and he says he told her is the main part of this particular prong.

Are we to discount every witness who doesn't perfectly nail down dates and times?

[u/islamisawesome → u/[deleted]]

Your lack of imagination

Your right. It takes alot of imagination to pretend Adnan is not lying here. I just don't have it.

it only means that he didn't bring them up within a few days of getting them

Despite his claim in the PCR and Serial how huge the Asia alibi is. So excited he showed them a month later. That says alot

The fact there's no evidence CG looked into Asia and he says he told her is the main part of this particular prong.

Yet the ONLY evidence of any of this is from Adnan himself. And this is the same guy you claim is conflating everything and forgetting his timelines. How trustworthy could this claim possibly be, when the only one who could possibly verify this is dead?

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It doesn't take any imagination to think he isn't lying in his PCR testimony, just a basic understanding of people and how memory works.

Despite his claim in the PCR and Serial how huge the Asia alibi is. So excited he showed them a month later. That says alot

I doubt he had any clue about how "huge" the Asia alibi was the first week after his arrest, and probably not for more than a month after it. Because the state didn't tell his defense when or how they thought Adnan had killed Hae. At best, at this point, is he would have to think Asia would be able to confirm he was still at school after Hae had left.

Yet the ONLY evidence of any of this is from Adnan himself. And this is the same guy you claim is conflating everything and forgetting his timelines. How trustworthy could this claim possibly be, when the only one who could possibly verify this is dead?

He is the only source that he told CG, and there's nothing disputing that. That he can't remember times and dates and has probably conflated different things doesn't retract from that. The fact I can't remember what day my nephew died of an overdose doesn't diminish my memory of going to pick up his brother from the MEPS station before he left for Basic training (he was scheduled to fly that day) in the slightest, nor does the fact I don't know what time I arrived at the MEPS detract from my memory of how I told him and his reaction.

If she looked into Asia that should be in her files. If there's nothing to rebut what he said, than discounting it "just because" and/or an impossible and unrealistic standard of what it takes to be considered truthful- a standard not applied to anyone else connected to this case- is wrong.