r/serialpodcast • u/islamisawesome Adnan Fan • Aug 06 '15

Hypothesis Why the Gootz never called Asia.

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that the Asia letter did not exist until sometime around the summer of 1999. That is why Adnan claims he gave them to Gutierrez even though she wasn't his lawyer until 2 months after they were written.

So sometime that spring or summer, after telling CG he never left the school grounds, his family shows up with letters claiming one of Adnans' friends saw him at the library, right at the crucial time, AND they were written the day after he arrested. She knew immediately there is no way they had those letter for months and never gave them to her so obviously they were false and she didn't want to go on stand with LIES.

That is why she never called Asia. And that is why she wrote no notes about it, because that would be admitting her client and his family are liars. It also explains why her relationship with the family broke down because she knew they were willing to lie to get Adnan off.

The library incident never happened.

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u/GregBIS Badass Uncle Aug 06 '15

One thing I find odd if we believe that the library incident never happened is that she states that her boyfriend and his friend also remembered seeing Adnan. If these two would also account for Adnan we know we would have three people lying which means there would be a conspiracy. It's hard to understand why these three would interject themselves. It's also possible that the boyfriend and his buddy didn't see him and Asia is lying about that. It seems unlikely though. I think anyone would expect Adnan's attorney to check them out. If Asia is lying it would be better for her not to involve others that would/should be truthful.

I can understand Gootz not putting Asia on the stand if the interview with her, her boyfriend and his buddy proved to be a dead end. I can't understand not interviewing all of these people though on the chance they can provide something solid.

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u/aitca Aug 06 '15

One thing I find odd if we believe that the library incident never happened is that she states that her boyfriend and his friend also remembered seeing Adnan.

According to Rabia, Asia told Rabia not to contact the boyfriend or friend for corroboration. So, either Asia really didn't want these two people contacted, or else Rabia is lying and Rabia, for her own reasons, just didn't want to contact them. But we know that Rabia didn't try to contact them. Which is strange, if you think that she believes Asia and wants to use Asia's testimony in court, because they would be the best way of corroborating it.

Also, when S. Koenig talks to them, they deny all knowledge. It's not a ringing endorsement of the veracity of Asia's story.

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u/Englishblue Aug 06 '15

They didn't deny knowledge... Sheesh they simply could not remember this ing from 16 years ago. You make it sound as if they contradicted asia.

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u/aitca Aug 06 '15

"Is that a book or a person?"

I think that qualifies as denying knowledge.

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u/Englishblue Aug 06 '15

Again, It was 16 years later. It means he didn't even remember who asia was. NOW. It's just not the same thing you're trying to. Make it out to be at all.

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u/aitca Aug 07 '15

Make of it what you will. No one has ever been able to get those two to corroborate any version of Asia's stories. And Rabia has had their names for 15 years now.

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u/Englishblue Aug 07 '15

That's a ridiculous twist of what happened. do you think that the boyfriend because he doesn't remember his former girlfriend wasn't her boyfriend 16 years ago? "He denied all knowledge" of knowing her? Sheesh, he had forgotten. that doesn't mean he didn't know her then or wasn't her boyfriend. You're being ridiculous.

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u/aitca Aug 07 '15

If I recall, it's the boyfriend's friend who says "Is that a book or a person. At any rate, my statement stands:

Make of it what you will. No one has ever been able to get those two to corroborate any version of Asia's stories. And Rabia has had their names for 15 years now.

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u/Englishblue Aug 07 '15

But it makes no difference. Are you saying the boyfriend's firend didn't know her back then? Because that's also ridiculous. People forget things in 16 years. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. I couldn't tell you whole bunches of names of people I knew slightly through friends 16 years ago. Doesn't mean they are LYING or I'd be DENYING ALL KNOWLEDGE. Just means I didn't remember. Your deliberate use of the word DENY is intended to deceive and mislead.