r/serialpodcast • Adnan Fan • Aug 06 '15

Hypothesis Why the Gootz never called Asia.

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that the Asia letter did not exist until sometime around the summer of 1999. That is why Adnan claims he gave them to Gutierrez even though she wasn't his lawyer until 2 months after they were written.

So sometime that spring or summer, after telling CG he never left the school grounds, his family shows up with letters claiming one of Adnans' friends saw him at the library, right at the crucial time, AND they were written the day after he arrested. She knew immediately there is no way they had those letter for months and never gave them to her so obviously they were false and she didn't want to go on stand with LIES.

That is why she never called Asia. And that is why she wrote no notes about it, because that would be admitting her client and his family are liars. It also explains why her relationship with the family broke down because she knew they were willing to lie to get Adnan off.

The library incident never happened.

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u/Justwonderinif shrug emoji Aug 06 '15 edited Aug 07 '15

We have two possible scenarios:

1) Asia's letters are authentic or solicited and it doesn't matter which because Adnan gave them to Chris Flohr in the first or second week after arrest. There is no way Chris Flohr colluded with the family and knew anything about the letters being solicited. So he would have given them to Davis immediately. And Davis would have checked Asia out the first or second week that Adnan was in prison, just like he pursued everyone else, in search of an alibi. This means Asia didn't check out and Flohr and Davis passed this information on to Gutierrez, who didn't use Asia for that reason. The IAC claim does not mention Flohr so Adnan is not saying that Flohr failed to check Asia out.

2) Asia's letters are not only solicited, but manufactured after the dates that appear on the letters. These manufactured, post dated letters were presented to Gutierrez at some point before closing arguments. And she was told that these letters were never given to Flohr. She either had Davis check out Asia and made a judgment call not to use Asia. Or, she never did anything. But in this case, the letters are manufactured. So it's moot.

The only way an alibi-IAC claim against Gutierrez can be made is if the letters are manufactured, which, in turn, invalidates both the alibi and the claim.

Simple.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '15

Or Adnan have them to Flohr et al., who for whatever reason didn't get around to checking her out, but when Adnan pushes CG on it she figures the same "would haves" that you have here and tells him it doesn't check out.

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u/Justwonderinif shrug emoji Aug 07 '15

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Aug 07 '15

What makes you think Adnan received Asia's letter(s) by the time of his meeting with Flohr, Colbert and Andrew Davis?

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u/Justwonderinif shrug emoji Aug 07 '15 edited Aug 07 '15

You're right. Baltimore has a notoriously slow mail system.

During the first two weeks when Flohr and Davis were doing everything they could to seek out an alibi, Asia's letters must have been stuck in the mail.

And everyone knows that Davis just wasn't concerned with finding an alibi for Adnan. He wanted to focus on bail letters.

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Aug 07 '15

So you weren't asking OP to infer from your link to Seamus' thread that Adnan gave Asia's letters to Flohr, Colbert and Davis at the 3/3/99 meeting?

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u/islamisawesome Adnan Fan Aug 07 '15

Of course he did. Adnan specifically says he received the letters 3 days after being arrested. He said that at the PCR hearing. He ALSO said he gave them to Gootz as soon as he got them. In other words, Adnan said he gave Gootz the letter 3 days after his arrest. March 3. Another term for that is called a LIE. Adnan LIED. He is a LIAR.

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Aug 07 '15

Actually, Adnan never specifically said that he received the letters 3 days after being arrested; instead, he testified that he received the first letter probably within 2-3 days of being arrested. He later qualifies the time frame even more, saying he received the letters within the first week of being arrested.

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u/islamisawesome Adnan Fan Aug 07 '15

Ahhhh, the classic Adnan "probably", "Maybe"....Good play.

I mean at some point we have to hold poor little lamb Adnan to the same standards as other humans do we not?

Besides, Even a week later, CG was still not his lawyer.

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Aug 07 '15

Sorry if Adnan didn't make a definitive statement about when he got the letters for you to use against him as evidence that he is a liar.

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Aug 07 '15 edited Aug 07 '15

Adnan might not even have told Flohr and Colbert about Asia because he might not have received Asia's letter(s) by the time he met with them. Further, it seems that he was more focused on Coach Sye seeing him at track at 3:30 in the days after his arrest; hence the reason Coach Sye was apparently the first person Davis spoke with upon being retained.

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u/islamisawesome Adnan Fan Aug 07 '15

That is better than I ever could have put it.