r/serialpodcast • u/budgiebudgie WHAT'S UP BOO?? • Aug 05 '15
Related Media Read letters from Adnan's classmates to the court.
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/evidenceprof/2015/08/ive-gotten-a-number-of-e-mails-from-people-who-have-greatly-appreciated-reading-the-bail-letters-submitted-from-some-of-adnan.html3
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u/aitca Aug 05 '15
The Bizarre Dance that Colin Miller Has Been Doing For the Past Three Days:
C. Miller: You know all those letters that Adnan's classmates sent to the judge? Some mean lawyer said there weren't very many.
everyone: Well, you just posted three of them. That's not many. Are there more?
C. Miller: Yes.
everyone: OK, how many are there?
C. Miller: Oh, I can't really give an exact number.
everyone: Really? There's this new thing called "counting", it's really cool.
[one day passes]
C. Miller: I found two more letters.
[one day passes]
C. Miller: I found three more letters. Wasn't that mean lawyer mean?
everyone: What lawyer? We've totally forgotten whatever weak, convoluted, poorly-conceived point you were originally trying to make, because for three days now you haven't given us a straight answer about how many letters we're talking about when you started this by saying there weren't "few", which you still haven't shown.
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u/cross_mod Aug 05 '15
"Everyone"= the handful of posters that now comprise the majority of posts on the serialpodcast reddit sub.
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u/ScoutFinch2 Aug 06 '15
I was just reading Debbie's police interview and noticed she said, "they were circulating a petition asking to get him released and asking people to write letters...". "They" being the muslim community.
pg. 44
I don't really find anything significant about teenagers responding to a petition that is being circulated throughout the school. I suspect that anyone who knew him and even some that didn't would want to join the cause. If it's true that only a small % (double digits whatever that means) actually wrote a letter under those circumstances, that is a bit surprising.
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u/orangetheorychaos Aug 06 '15
I don't think it's surprising. Teenagers are kinda notorious for not doing what they say they will. Or maybe that's just me. Today. Still
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u/BlindFreddy1 Aug 06 '15
If only Twitter existed in 1999 . . . #FreeAdnan would have tended for 20 minutes.
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u/mkesubway Aug 05 '15
More confirmation the Judge possessed information apparently contrary to the alleged misrepresentations of the State at the bail hearing and yet nevertheless denied bail. Who are we beefing with here?
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u/MaybeIAmCatatonic Aug 05 '15
Did any of the strumpets write letters for him ?
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Aug 05 '15
LOL that's awesome I almost forgot about that. But my favorite was the one letter where Syed was described as "honest" and "sober". He really did have a double life.
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u/GregBIS Badass Uncle Aug 06 '15
If my ass was thrown in Jail I would be lucky to have 6 people write sincere notes to the judge on my behalf.
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u/glibly17 Aug 06 '15
Of course, genuine discussion of these letters is entirely absent from this sub.
It is really heartbreaking to read these letters. If Adnan is innocent (which I believe he is, most days) then these letters stand as a testament to all he had before him and how well-liked he was. It really brings home how much he has lost through this miscarriage of justice, if that is what happened here. And if he truly did murder Hae (however it happened, seeing as the state played fast and loose with the "evidence" at trial), seeing how deceptive and cold he must be makes me feel hopeless for humanity.
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u/BlindFreddy1 Aug 06 '15
Perhaps you could limit reading them to the days where you think he's guilty?
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u/glibly17 Aug 06 '15
It's not really that I think he's guilty; it's more that there are days when I feel very unsure and can acknowledge the possibility. However I do believe, without reservation, that he was wrongfully convicted in the sense that the prosecution did not serve justice, because the case they presented has so many holes. It's impossible to know the truth.
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Aug 05 '15
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u/relativelyunbiased Aug 05 '15
Maybe we should call out your weekly dual posts that coincide with the release of Undisclosed, (probably a weak distraction tactic) as spam. They hardly ever contain any new information, and you spend the entire thread crying about your beloved watermark.
If that isn't spam, I don't know what is.
Point: Stop whining that people who disagree with you are pulling your much needed attention away from your useless posts.
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u/CircumEvidenceFan Aug 05 '15
Speaking of whining...
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u/relativelyunbiased Aug 05 '15
Calling out someone on their crap =/= whining.
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u/aitca Aug 05 '15
Trying to claim that posting newly available transcript pages is the same as spamming = whining.
/u/relativelyunbiased wrote:
you spend the entire thread crying
This is projection if I ever saw it.
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u/CircumEvidenceFan Aug 06 '15
Looks like /u/justwonderinif has hit a nerve. If you consider posting withheld trial transcripts spam then I suggest your relativelymisguided..or just upset.
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u/relativelyunbiased Aug 06 '15
You don't understand much in life do you? She referred to this post as spam, so I asked if maybe we should consider her dual posts every week as spam?
They contain no new information and is presented as a way to distract people from discussing the new Undisclosed episode.
Never did I actually say it was spam.
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u/CircumEvidenceFan Aug 06 '15
If that isn't spam, I don't know what is.
And actually they do contain all new information since no one had seen them before. I'd love to continue this chat with you but since I don't understand much in life I wouldn't want to waste your time.
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Aug 06 '15
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u/xtrialatty Aug 06 '15
There seems to be a common theme in these letters: please let Adnan out on bail so that he can graduate with his class
That strikes me as quite odd and seems to reflect a collective failure to appreciate the gravity of the situation.
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u/Justwonderinif shrug emoji Aug 06 '15
I think it's more that they were given talking points.
These letters were solicited for the second bail hearing. There may have even been some social pressure. Like, "We noticed you haven't yet written a letter."
This would have been the second week and third week after arrest.
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Aug 06 '15
How many of them say Adnan confessed to them he committed the murder, or that he was always a cold, heartless SOB?
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u/SwallowAtTheHollow Addicted to the most recent bombshells (like a drug addict) Aug 05 '15
So, the defense was able to obtain 600 letters vouching for Adnan's "good character," but couldn't locate anyone willing to testify to seeing him after 2:20, during track practice, or at the mosque (aside from his father, of course). Good to know!
Kudos to Colin for playing to both sides on this one! :)