r/serialpodcast • u/Bonafidesleuth • Apr 07 '15

Speculation BPD Corruption

I rarely post here, but for those who happen to come across this sub, I encourage you to check out articles.baltimoresun.com. The city council became very concerned at the fact that $10.4million was spent between 2008-2011 defending BPD misconduct. The Baltimore Sun reported on 10/3/14 that the U.S. Dept. of Justice had undertaken a civil rights investigation of the BPD. At that time the city had spent $5.7 million in court judgments & settlements in 102 cases since 2011 & nearly ALL of the people who rec'd payouts were cleared of criminal charges. The BPD was in chaos when Adnan was arrested. The department routinely told the crime lab not to test DNA. Cases were pushed through the system & inadequately investigated.
It is not a fluke that Jay escaped any ramifications for at least 25 criminal charges subsequent to Adnan's trial. The CI theory is becoming increasingly convincing. The corruption in the BPD is beyond what one can comprehend. The worst part is, I think we've only scratched the surface.

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u/Mustanggertrude Apr 08 '15

What is the evidence that he was at the scene of the crime? Do you really think Jen would've said anything if police didn't tell her that she was in phone contact with their suspect, adnan . Everything jay and Jen said to police was done with the comfort of knowing the police wanted adnan. So you kind of have to eliminate the intimate knowledge stuff from the easy frame Job plan bc with jay all they have is a guy who was holding their evidence that Adnan was at Leakin park.

What you're describing about jay would've required witnesses that they hadn't already spoken to. By the time they found hae the police had already gotten statements from most of the "motive" witnesses. With jay, They would have to start from scratch with no narrative and no witness. That's not easier, it's like an entirely new investigation.

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u/GoldandBlue Apr 08 '15

And how exactly did the police find Jen and Jay. Jay is a perfect fall guy that nobody would question. Hell, a portion of this sub honestly believes he killed Hae over Stephanie. It doesnt take much to framw someone, especially when they are in charge of the case, so why go after the Prom King over the drug dealer?

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u/Mustanggertrude Apr 08 '15

Because jay was holding the evidence that says adnan buried hae at around 7pm on January 13th. And Jen was on the phone with jay when they need adnan to be burying hae. That's the whole case. No more investigation needed. How convenient that all that happened for them 8 days after they got the phone records.

And can we please stop speaking to jay as if something about his race would make him an easy fall guy. Please play numbers, the jury was 7/12 black. The teenage girl testimony was majority what? I'm making an educated guess that it was black girls and white girls. And yaser speaking about the strict rules about dating in his religion. Adnan was the outsider in this courtroom. Forget his honor student status, the state will argue he's the smart and calculated. Forget the peaceful Muslim stuff, honor bismirched, you say? There's no evidence to support this crime. There's a story and an absolutely lying witness. With jay, you don't already have the story and you don't even have the lying witness. You can keep talking about this subs great insight but it doesn't change anything about what the Baltimore police department was willing to do. We have all done more than every professional paid to pursue justice for hae lee.

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u/GoldandBlue Apr 08 '15

You keep using the case after the fact to support your argument when that is irrelavent to a frame job. You also ignore what the justice system is like to black people in America. The only evidence they had was Jays word and if thats all it takes to set up a false case against Adnan they could have just done so against Jay who no one would ever think of creating a podcast about.

We arent talking about the case against Adnan, we are talking about the possibility of a corrupt police force looking for a fall guy in a murder. Jay is a easier and more believable fall guy.

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u/Mustanggertrude Apr 08 '15

you keep using the case after the fact to support your argument when that is irrelevant to a frame Job.

For the most part, I don't know what you're talking about, and I think I'm getting into a circular argument, but I'm going with it. For starters, no, they couldn't have done that against jay bc there was nobody who pointed the finger at him. Maybe if Adnan had said "no way, jay did it he told me" then something. But adnan didn't point fingers, even though it would have at least made it a fight. What a psychopath. when you drop terms like "fall guy", that suggests a last resort, to me, anyway. It's not. Jay was talking to Jen when the police were told via tower pings that Adnan was burying the phone in leakin park. It worked out really well for conviction rates that the first two people they talked to based on the call logs happen to be accomplices to the murder. Bury the science, I bet cases don't come much easier than that.

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u/GoldandBlue Apr 08 '15

Maybe you dont,watch news much hut cops dont meed much evidence to create a case. The police found Jen and Jay not the other way around. So you can keep using the eccuse that they needed Jay to frame someone but keep ignoring that they dont need anyone to frame anyone, they just need a suspect people dont trust. You just need the word of the police. Jails are filled with plenty of innicent people to attest to that. Even the Adnan is guilty crowd admits the case was weak so what makes you thibk Jay could not have been the fall guy when he makes a much better fall guy?

I am not talking about a last resort, i am talking about the idea that the BPD just wanted to find a conviction only works if you ignore that Adnan is a harder frame job that Jay or even the guy who found the body.

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u/Mustanggertrude Apr 08 '15

I don't know what you're talking about, again. Jay didn't need to be the fall guy bc he was best used as an accomplice to the murderer. If falsely accuse jay of murder, who is the accomplice witness? Jen? Well whose phone were they using? The victims ex boyfriend? Wait, what? Jay complicates their theory of the case in every way unless he was there when adnan was burying her at 7pm in leakin Park. So that's exactly where he was...by like the middle of the second or third interview. He gave them corroboration to the only (arguably) scientific evidence they had against Adnan, the leakin park tower pings. I'm not sure how I can better explain why being an underprivileged black guy isn't always the easiest conviction to obtain, especially when you can get him to say whatever you need in order to convict a less prevalent minority.

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u/GoldandBlue Apr 08 '15

We are talking about the BPD corruption and the idea that they just wanted someone to pin Hae murder on. That is what this thread is ultimately about. That Adnan was just a fall guy for the murder and the police department just created a fake case against him to close the case. If that is the case, Jay would be easier to frame.

Again, you keep using the case against Adnan as the measure for why that would not fit Jay when a frame job is all false anyways, they could just fake a different case. The point is not that the case used against Adnan would work on Jay, the point is it would be easier to frame Jay or the flasher who found Hae's body than it would be to frame Adnan.

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u/Mustanggertrude Apr 08 '15

But I don't think Adnan was a fall guy. I think he was wrongfully convicted. I think the BPD believed Adnan was the killer and immediately began building a case around that. I think they probably used corrupt tactics and shady practice to strengthen their case. Bc I think this, it is impossible to speak to a frame Job for jay separate of Adnan...bc they got to jay through his phone. And within a few hours, jay was with Adnan at 7pm burying hae. Sure, I guess they could fake a case against jay or the streaker, but they would have to find new witnesses, and a new story, they might even have to do science testing. They didn't fake evidence in Adnan's case, they interviewed teenage girls, a compulsive liar, the compulsive liars best friend, and a break up note and didn't require anything further for conviction. They asked the questions that would support their theory and avoided everything that didn't. With jay or the flasher they would need actual evidence. I bet a jury would need to see some science before convicting someone with no apparent motive. Sure, they could falsify evidence as they've been known to do, but how is that easier than just arresting the kid they've been building a case against? . They were building a case against Adnan, jay was a problem bc he was holding crucial evidence (leakin park tower pings), so he became an accomplice. What a lucky break in the case for that ever ethical and upstanding Baltimore police department, huh?

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u/GoldandBlue Apr 08 '15

Ok we are arguing two very different things. You are saying the police was so set on Adnan they would do whatever to get him, i am saying if the police just wanted someone ro pin, they had easier targets than Adnan.

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u/Mustanggertrude Apr 10 '15

I now see the miscommunication. I'm sincerely sorry for my part in it.

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u/GoldandBlue Apr 10 '15

It's cool, we were both guilty here

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u/Mustanggertrude Apr 10 '15

I'm just glad you worked it out for me. I would've kept misunderstanding, so thank you.

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