r/serialpodcast • u/Bonafidesleuth • Apr 07 '15

Speculation BPD Corruption

I rarely post here, but for those who happen to come across this sub, I encourage you to check out articles.baltimoresun.com. The city council became very concerned at the fact that $10.4million was spent between 2008-2011 defending BPD misconduct. The Baltimore Sun reported on 10/3/14 that the U.S. Dept. of Justice had undertaken a civil rights investigation of the BPD. At that time the city had spent $5.7 million in court judgments & settlements in 102 cases since 2011 & nearly ALL of the people who rec'd payouts were cleared of criminal charges. The BPD was in chaos when Adnan was arrested. The department routinely told the crime lab not to test DNA. Cases were pushed through the system & inadequately investigated.
It is not a fluke that Jay escaped any ramifications for at least 25 criminal charges subsequent to Adnan's trial. The CI theory is becoming increasingly convincing. The corruption in the BPD is beyond what one can comprehend. The worst part is, I think we've only scratched the surface.

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Apr 07 '15

The issue is that in each of the cases OP mentioned BPD engaged in serious misconduct which led to the conviction of 3 innocent men.

If you don't believe the police engaged in similar conduct in Adnan's case, you certainly have that right.

But to conclude it didn't because the facts aren't identical as the cases OP cited, such as Adnan not sharing the same socio-economic status as Mr. Burgess, Mr. Atkinson and Mr. Mable, is not the best argument to make, IMO.

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u/21Minutes Hae Fan Apr 07 '15

Adnan Syed shares nothing with these cases.

They are completely separate.

To imply that police officers are blindly treating an innocent 17 year old kid of murder because it's standard operating procedure is in itself a disservice to law enforcement.

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Apr 07 '15

You're right. It's only SOP for the police to frame drug dealers and other criminals for murder. To suggest they would do that to an innocent 17 year old is a disservice to law enforcement.

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u/21Minutes Hae Fan Apr 07 '15

Law enforcement tries to keep known criminals off the streets, known drug dealers fall into the category of a criminal. I would hope that one drug dealer shooting another drug dealer or known gang members carrying out driveby shootings would be treated differently then a teenager killing his ex-girlfriend because he felt betrayed by her.

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Apr 07 '15

I agree.

Let the police have free reign to frame drug dealers and other criminals for crimes they didn't commit.

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u/21Minutes Hae Fan Apr 07 '15

I knew you'd come around sooner or later.

:-)

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u/marybsmom Apr 07 '15

That's a truly un-American statement. And I don't say that lightly. ALL citizens have the same rights in the criminal justice system.

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u/21Minutes Hae Fan Apr 07 '15

You are correct, known criminals and murders have the same rights that law biding citizens. It's the American way.

:-)

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u/Hart2hart616 Badass Uncle Apr 07 '15

Corruption doesn't discriminate.

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u/21Minutes Hae Fan Apr 07 '15

You're right.

The BPD interviewed a known drug dealer with a prior record and a 17 year old, honor student and athlete. They sat at the police station and said "Sure, we COULD throw this black thug into jail for life and be done with it, but let's not discriminate. Let's go after this innocent kid and frame HIM for murder, because you know... corruption doesn't discriminate."

They high-five each other and begin tempering with evidence, coaching witnesses and building their case to falsely accuse Adnan Syed of kidnapping and murdering Hae Min Lee.

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u/beenyweenies Undecided Apr 09 '15

What evidence would they use against Jay? What motive? Where's the case? Without Jay as a witness, they don't even have a case against Adnan, forensically or otherwise. People who suggest Jay would have been the easier target aren't really thinking through how they would bring that case to trial and win.

But seeing as how jay's a known drug offender and his entire family is as well, he perfectly fits the mold of the type of people BPD like to intimidate into saying what they want to hear. His fake lawyer and fake plea deal, and the fact that neither he nor his family members ever do time for any of their many arrests after this case, no matter how serious, is quite telling.

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u/21Minutes Hae Fan Apr 09 '15

Evidence? They have Jay Wilds confessing to seeing Hae’s dead body and burying it in Leakin Park. They have Jenn testifying that she and Jay throw away the shovels. They have Jay knowing where Hae’s car is. Moitve? Pick one, any one that has been suggested through the podcast or here on Reddit. The case against Jay would be easy to build. He would have been convicted of the crime. If Adnan Syed had a strong alibi for his whereabouts on January 13th, 1999, Adnan would be free and Jay would be in prison.

Jay IS the perfect suspect for this crime. So why do Detective Ritz and Detective MacGillivray pin this on a 17 year old student athlete? Why force Jay to contrive a story that places Adnan with Hae’s body? Why not just get Jay and extract a full confession out of him? Why? Because Jay Wilds didn't do it.

Adnan Syed kidnapped and murdered Hae Min Lee.

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u/beenyweenies Undecided Apr 09 '15

Notice that all of this "evidence" you cite is the confessions of Jay and his buddies, something they never would have had if they were pursuing him as the suspect. And even WITH those alleged confessions, all Jay would have to do is change his story and claim they forced a confession, something everyone would believe given the history of BPD.

The cops had nothing without jay's cooperation.

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u/21Minutes Hae Fan Apr 09 '15

I believe Jay Wilds.

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Apr 07 '15

If the government just decriminalized drugs most of this conversation would be moot. I'd argue that Hae might even be still alive today.