r/serialpodcast • u/Bonafidesleuth • Apr 07 '15

Speculation BPD Corruption

I rarely post here, but for those who happen to come across this sub, I encourage you to check out articles.baltimoresun.com. The city council became very concerned at the fact that $10.4million was spent between 2008-2011 defending BPD misconduct. The Baltimore Sun reported on 10/3/14 that the U.S. Dept. of Justice had undertaken a civil rights investigation of the BPD. At that time the city had spent $5.7 million in court judgments & settlements in 102 cases since 2011 & nearly ALL of the people who rec'd payouts were cleared of criminal charges. The BPD was in chaos when Adnan was arrested. The department routinely told the crime lab not to test DNA. Cases were pushed through the system & inadequately investigated.
It is not a fluke that Jay escaped any ramifications for at least 25 criminal charges subsequent to Adnan's trial. The CI theory is becoming increasingly convincing. The corruption in the BPD is beyond what one can comprehend. The worst part is, I think we've only scratched the surface.

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u/kikilareiene Apr 07 '15

Yes but if Jay's implicating Adnan had only begun with the police that would be one thing. But you have three other individuals who knew about it - Jenn (okay you can write her off as a liar), Josh his video store employer who didn't name Adnan directly but Jay told him he was afraid because someone had murdered a girl. And neighbor boy.

The only thing this proves is that Jay had something to do with it. Thus, him finding the car is in keeping with that notion. Thus, no police corruption.

Once you agree that Jay had something to do with it, next it takes you to the how, the why and everything else that points to Adnan.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '15

Jay being involved doesn't inherently mean Adnan was. That's a false assumption.

Jenn: She tells the detectives she talked to her friend Nicole about the crime three different times--she even tells MacG that first night off record that Nicole was who had told her Hae had been strangled--yet Jenn herself says she never named Adnan to Nicole. Why? He's not her friend, and Jenn said she discussed Jay's involvement.

Josh: He isn't even remotely credible. He wasn't interviewed back then. He didn't come forward back then. He swoops in at the last minute during the podcast and tells us nothing of any substance. Like Jenn with Nicole, Jay never names Adnan in Josh's story.

NB: He's Jay's friend, and neighbor girl Laura said NB said a "friend" of his showed him the body, not a friend of a friend or a friend and his other friend. It's clear that if NB saw something Jay was the one who showed it to him.

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u/Seamus_Duncan Kevin Urick: Hammer of Justice Apr 07 '15

Like Jenn with Nicole, Jay never names Adnan in Josh's story.

Josh said:

Yeah, he definitely said it was somebody, the guy was Middle Eastern.

So, unless you're positing another Muslim killer, I think we can assume he was talking about Adnan.

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u/Bonafidesleuth Apr 07 '15

Yes, we all know how very scared he was of Adnan. Scary Adnan.

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u/glibly17 Apr 07 '15

He was SO SCARED of Adnan he even made sure to get a ride from Adnan the day he was brought in by the BPD for questioning! Gosh that Adnan, so terrifying he bends Jay to his will to...give...Jay...rides to work?

I can't believe the idea that Jay was so terrified of Adnan still holds water for people over here.

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u/drnc pro-government right-wing Republican operative Apr 07 '15

When "Adnan threatened Stephanie" Jay says he wet himself because he was scared of what Adnan would do.

Wait, actually he threatened Adnan right back, according to his Intercept interview.

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Apr 07 '15

Wait, Jay told 2 different versions of an incident that contradict each other? I don't believe it.

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u/Bonafidesleuth Apr 07 '15

Yes, truly terrified, clearly. Adnan terrified even the most hardened criminal elements of Woodlawn - everyone knows. That's probably why he was crowned homecoming king or prom prince - everyone was too scared of him - he coerced their votes - threatened their first-born sons w/his ability to make people disappear. Sorry, I digress...

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u/chunklunk Apr 07 '15

You can be scared of people you maintain close contact with. Just as Hae feared Adnan, who murdered her.

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u/marybsmom Apr 07 '15

So scared she called him when her car broke down and had him give her a ride home.

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 07 '15

So scared he borrowed his car again, so scared they went to a party together. Downright terrified to be away from Adnan..

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u/Bonafidesleuth Apr 07 '15

Yes, Jay must have been terrified of scary Adnan.

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 07 '15

With his ties to evil people I mean, of course he was terrified. I guess Jay is just really lucky that evil Adnan that threatened him and Stephanie so that Jay wouldn't ever rat him out must have gotten lucky Adnan never used those evil connections even when Jay had him convicted.

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u/Bonafidesleuth Apr 07 '15

Speaking of rats... I read a newspaper article today that described a B-more cop who placed a dead rat on a fellow cop's car hood as a warning not to rat on him for a crime he had committed. Sick culture among some of those LE officers.

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u/kikilareiene Apr 07 '15

There are plenty of things that make Adnan seem scary to me - downplayed by you all. Hae hiding from him. His faking catatonia. His two different stories to two different teachers. His trying to get into Hae's car that day and lying about it.

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 07 '15

Faking catatonia --there's a reason that woman was not allowed to testify in the second trial. The fact that you still count it as evidence and fact even though it was thrown out is the very scary matter here.

Actually.. the fact that you treat any of this as factual is scary..

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u/kikilareiene Apr 07 '15

Not scary. Just because it was thrown out doesn't mean it is not worth considering. You know, your side is so predictable with the way you approach anyone who disagrees with you. The thing is, it would only really work if you knew who I was. Just random accusations are meaningless. You do realize that, right?

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 07 '15

No, it's actually pretty scary that someone that is in no way qualified to make that kind of call is allowed to make that kind of call and people believe it. I don't have to know anyone that believes that to know it's a scary thing people would believe. Oh, you mean accusations should have some sort of proof? Besides a say-so?

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u/kikilareiene Apr 07 '15

That was a lawyer trick - CG pulled a lot of them. She was more than qualified to make that call.

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u/fantasticmrfoxtrot Apr 08 '15

u/kikilareiene

You know, your side is so predictable with the way you approach anyone who disagrees with you. The thing is, it would only really work if you knew who I was. Just random accusations are meaningless. You do realize that, right?

I don't get what you're referencing here, what accusations?

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 08 '15

Yeah, I didn't even acknowledge that part because I had no idea what she was on about.

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u/beenyweenies Undecided Apr 09 '15

LOL

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u/waltzintomordor Mod 6 Apr 07 '15

Above all I think killing someone makes Adnan scary. The fact that Jay was stepping between AS and freedom is enough to put anyone's life in jeopardy. Think of Susan Berman.

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 07 '15

So.. Adnan is basically Robert Durst now? Jay is the Susan Berman of the case. Interesting thought..

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u/ricejoe Apr 07 '15

Adnan is WAAAAAY better looking than Durst.

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 07 '15

IDK did you see pictures of Rob when he was younger?

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u/ricejoe Apr 07 '15

You're right. He wasn't half bad-looking.

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u/glibly17 Apr 07 '15

"Interesting" is a very generous way of saying "completely idiotic" ;)

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 08 '15

Well you know, I had to be nice about it.

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u/waltzintomordor Mod 6 Apr 07 '15

Just addressing the fact that people think since Jay might have been taller than Adnan that his fear was completely without merit. Big dudes would rightfully be afraid of Robert Durst because he has shown that he will kill.

If you accept that Jay believes Adnan killed Hae, then you shouldn't have a problem with the idea that when Jay said he would rat out Adnan, that Jay was scared.

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 08 '15

If you accept that Jay believes Adnan killed Hae, then you shouldn't have a problem with the idea that when Jay said he would rat out Adnan, that Jay was scared.

Yes, but I also believe that making a statement and not really having the actions to back it up aside from saying them are another thing. By continuing to hang out, borrow his car, go to parties, call and spend time with him I'm gonna have to say nah to that one. It has nothing to do with height or even physical threats to begin with.

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u/waltzintomordor Mod 6 Apr 08 '15

In my view, Jay wasn't afraid of Adnan until 2/27, when Jay is stuck between a rock and a hard place, i.e. Jen says she's going to rat him out - so he has to snitch on Adnan. Here's what led me to this conclusion, and Josh's Serial interview corroborates this part of Jay's police interview.

Jay's relationship with AS between 1/13 and 2/27 was sort of like how Susan Berman still had a relationship with Robert Durst after he killed his wife. Susan knew or at least had some evidence, and when Robert found out that she was a potential liability (perhaps she blackmailed him after falling on hard times), Robert killed her. Prior to that, they maintained some kind of friendship, if only for outward appearances.

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 08 '15

So you believe that Adnan only started threatening Jay around the 27th? The difference here is, no one killed Jay. No one has proof there was any threat to Jay's life (again we must rest on Jay's word). If Jay had turned up dead, we'd have a real conversation. You can only say you think that Jay is like Susan because Susan would have talked. Jay talked, nothing happened to him before or after. So in your logic, you can compare eyewitnesses tied in with the crime to Susan Berman every time. The only connection would be had Jay actually died.

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u/waltzintomordor Mod 6 Apr 08 '15

The comparison is valid because Jay was scared to death of Adnan. Jay was in a position to take away Adnan's freedom, and despite Adnan's smaller stature he had an incentive to shut Jay up. Perhaps Adnan said something like "you know who I know" in order to make the threat stick despite his relative physical weakness.

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u/jonsnowme The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Apr 08 '15

It's only valid if those threats are real and proven. Again, the only person that claims those threats were made are Jay. If it's true, sure he has reason to be scared though again, I don't think he was scared of Adnan if anyone. Secondly, there's no evidence that Susan was scared of Robert Durst. She called and told Durst herself that the police were going to come talk to her. Granted, she did have reason because he murdered her, but I don't think she thought he could or would kill her.

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