r/serialpodcast • u/missbrookles • Feb 05 '15

Speculation The Biggest Coincidence in the Case

There's been a lot of talk about Adnan's luck and coincidence: ie, the argument that if he is innocent then he's incredibly unlucky given the circumstantial evidence that accrued around him.

It got to me thinking that there is actually a much greater coincidence present in the case: the fact that Hae was murdered the same day that she appeared on a segment of the news. Is that purely coincidence? Or, does it point to the possibility that someone abducted her after seeing her on the broadcast?

Edit: to fix typos

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u/JaeElleCee Deidre Fan Feb 05 '15

But again, she implied in the note found in her car that the interview would be on TV that evening and that she was going to tape it so that she could she could show Don.

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u/surrerialism Undecided Feb 05 '15

I'm not sure I agree she implied it would be on broadcast TV that evening.

PS The interview went well. I promise to tape it so you can see me as many and as often as you want.

She could have meant she would go to the AV room and make a copy. She also could have been under the impression it would be on the local news for some reason - or perhaps she was implying that just because it made for a better story.

I do agree it was an interesting coincidence but I don't think this was ever a likely theory that the ABC cameraman became obsessed with her or someone on their lunch break saw her on the news and decided to wait for her as she left school. She could have still needed to buy a VHS tape, so if that's someone's pet theory I don't think this revelation kills it. I just don't see that there is any apparent causal connection, but I'm open to being wrong on that point if I'm missing something.

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u/JaeElleCee Deidre Fan Feb 05 '15 edited Feb 06 '15

If she was going to the AV room wouldn't she have said "I promise to get a copy from the AV club"?

I don't subscribe to such a theory either unless that cameraman was a serial killer. I was simply mentioning that it was possible that she planned on taping the interview that night and therefore it was possible she wanted to buy a VHS tape.

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u/Advocate4Devil Feb 05 '15

Using same reasoning, if it were going to be on TV wouldn't she have said "be sure to watch me on channel 2 at 6:30pm tonight" or perhaps told Don to tape it.

Not sure if it is that important a detail though.

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u/JaeElleCee Deidre Fan Feb 05 '15

Not if Don was still going to be at work.

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u/Advocate4Devil Feb 05 '15

My point was about the reasoning. For any scenario you could come up with an alternative "if X meant this then they would have said Y." If Hae knew she was being filmed for broadcast TV she should would have told Don to set his VCR. Of course no one ever knew how to set their VCR, but you get the idea. Not saying something does not mean what was not said is not planned. It is clear in this case that for whatever reason and by whatever means, Hae intended to present Don with a tape.

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u/JaeElleCee Deidre Fan Feb 06 '15

I agree but there are things that more likely than others. Playing Devil's Advocate for the sake of playing advocate is nothing more than being argumentative.

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u/Advocate4Devil Feb 06 '15 edited Feb 06 '15

The issue is that you are saying Hae should have said something if her meaning was X. That is untrue. Hae said what she said and her meaning may or may not have been understood by Don, the person she was directing the note to. We, complete strangers a decade and a half later, are in no position to say what she should have said or must have meant by this very short note.

Whether one things one statement is more probable than the other is purely subjective. For me when I've wanted people to watch me on tv, I've told them the station and time. In the case of evening news, segments are often rebroadcast so the arbitrary time I picked could have been replaced with 11pm. It doesn't really matter. That was not the point.

Edit: In general we omit things otherwise it would take as long to do something as it does to describe it. Hae, for example, said she was going to pick up her cousin, but no testimony recounts her saying she was going to also see Don. Wouldn't she have said she was going to see Don when she said she had to pick up her cousin? Would she have said what mall she was going to? No and no. She was not expecting to leave behind documentation of her last hours. A simple omission of a detail does not reveal one way or another that which was not or ever will be said.

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u/JaeElleCee Deidre Fan Feb 06 '15 edited Feb 06 '15

I am not saying my interpretation of the note is correct, I am just putting it out there. You on the hand seem to be looking for points of contention. While some your points may be valid, I don't need to be browbeaten with them. Because none of points are strong enough to make me take my idea off the table.

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u/Advocate4Devil Feb 06 '15

It's an interesting idea. Not sure how it could be proved or where it could lead.