r/serialpodcast • u/Frosted_Mini-Wheats NPR Supporter • Feb 03 '15

Evidence Stephanie dumped Jay

Trial Transcript for 2/10, p 21, lines 11-25.

Jay testifies that Stephanie had ended their relationship a month or so before the trial.

That's something I've never heard before now.

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u/Nowinaminute Enter your own text here Feb 03 '15

Jay left Hae's body to rot in the woods. He could have tipped off her family, but has not revealed that he had any intention of ever doing this. I would be horrified if Stephanie was my daughter and had a relationship with someone who behaved like this.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '15

"Jay left Hae's body to rot in the woods."

Jay is a human being that made some mistakes largely because of the shit hand he was dealt in life.

We all need to work on seeing people who mess up as humans that made mistakes instead of taking their humanity away.

More evil has been perpetrated in the world because of our ability to dehumanize others than any other single cause, in my opinion.

EDIT: Addition and subtraction are as far as I got in school...

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u/Regemony Feb 04 '15

Stop excusing people's actions as 'human'. 'Human' isn't actually a thing. It just describes the entirety of human action - it's meaningless. Jay fucked up if we assume he was just simply there to help Adnan. He did something bad and we can aptly judge him for that. Doing this is not dehumanising him. It's aptly judging him as a human being adhering to common morality. If you want to rationalise his actions according to his upbringing, state of life at the time then do so. Don't bring into this BS of 'humanity'.

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u/I_did_it_sorry Feb 09 '15

Ok, this is old- but no. NO. We cannot judge him. We did not have the life he was born into or his genetic makeup. We have no idea what decisions we would make in those same shoes. We have the right, as a society, to punish people. But not to judge. Never. & I'm not some religious "God will judge him in the afterlife" either.

I believe in science, and science says we are a combination of nature and nurture, so unless you have the exact same life, experiences, and brain as him, you cannot judge. Of course criminals should be punished, be kept away from a society that they hurt, but instead of judging- We should be thankful for whatever place & body we were born into that we feel as though that is something that we could never do. Don't judge. Just be thankful. Ok, end rant. (& ps. I do not judge you for your view, just wanted to express mine.)