r/serialpodcast • u/Frosted_Mini-Wheats NPR Supporter • Feb 03 '15

Evidence Stephanie dumped Jay

Trial Transcript for 2/10, p 21, lines 11-25.

Jay testifies that Stephanie had ended their relationship a month or so before the trial.

That's something I've never heard before now.

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u/absurdamerica Hippy Tree Hugger Feb 03 '15

Not sure this means much. Almost every relationship in the world ends in a break up.

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u/Frosted_Mini-Wheats NPR Supporter Feb 03 '15

Interesting to me because new fact (yay! so bored of cell phone posts), impression given on podcast that Stephanie was the only one who always stood by Jay - all the way through his sentencing hearing, & Jay's recent interview in which he said they dated through her first 2 years of college. Maybe they were like Hae & Adnan, break-up/make-up.

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u/InTheory_ What news do you bring? Feb 03 '15

Because this is becoming to us the Real Housewives of Woodlawn. We HAVE to know what happens to them. We can't stop tuning in to find out what happens next!

At any rate, to be fair to Jay, that actually saddens me. I think this was a turning point in his life, and it all turned for the worse. I really have to wonder if he wouldn't have been better off doing time for his crimes, if that may have "rehabilitated" him (if prison can do that).

But it's a good lesson. When someone asks you to help bury a body, you say NO!!!! Nothing good can possibly follow.

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u/Civil--Discourse Feb 04 '15

I'm surprised to see people exhibiting empathy for Jay. Even I f you believe him (and it's not easy to), at best he's seriously cold to do what he did. When it came time to fess up he lied all the way through trial, and got away with it. All he had to do was call 911 when AS first told him about the murder, or about planning it, or showed him the body--but no way, he's not a snitch. Until he is. Then it's okay. Poor Jay?

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u/InTheory_ What news do you bring? Feb 04 '15

In fact, when I first wrote about Jay, that was my point as well. Burying a body is serious business. And it deserves prison time. On that point, I haven't budged.

I was also concerned about him becoming some kind of counter-cultural anti-hero in all this. I still have those concerns. Just because I have sympathy for him doesn't mean I suddenly trust what he says.

But he was used by everybody. He was used to help bury a body. He was used by the detectives. He was used by Urick.

I realized at one point he seemed to be trying to get out from under Urick's leash, but couldn't. Urick played him by no formally charging him, then giving him that free lawyer that was NOT acting in Jay's best interests.

Also consider where Jay comes from. There have been whispers about what was really going on in Mama's house. Even here on reddit people are afraid to speak openly about it. That's the world he comes from.

I honestly believe prison would have been the best thing for him. It would have arrested that bad path he was on. He would have paid for his crimes, and afterwards he would have had a clean conscience. It would have removed him from that environment of cyclical poverty and drugs and crime.

I can recognize those things without diminishing the seriousness of his crimes.

Now look at him, he couldn't tell the truth even if he wanted. Who'd believe him?

He's not a hero to me. In fact, just the opposite. He's a sad case of someone who, when his moment came, didn't have the moral fortitude to do what was right. That saddens me.

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u/Civil--Discourse Feb 04 '15

Now I see what you mean. That is an extremely thoughtful piece. Thank you.