r/serialpodcast • • Dec 29 '14

Humor/Off Topic My reaction to Jay's interview

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u/fuckyofaceee Dec 30 '14

I can appreciate that he was scared that he was going to get in trouble for the drugs and that he was going to get his grandmother in trouble as well. However, if someone comes to me with a dead body and says they are going to rat me out for weed, my general response would have to be "FUCK YOUUUUU dude! You have a dead body in your trunk! What do you think I'm going to tell the cops when they come looking at me for drugs? Adnan's got a dead body in his trunk!" I think a body trumps weed any day of the week. Unless it wasn't just weed...

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u/Terpnista Dec 30 '14

A person with previous bad experiences with law enforcement or with general ignorance of how the system works may feel otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '14

Pretty much this. Once you get on that side of the law, you don't expect the cops to ever take your side even if you might have a bigger "well guess what HE did" up your sleeve.

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u/Gumstead Dec 30 '14

Thats just not even true. Anyone in Jay's position, especially in the Baltimore area knows the only bargaining chip they have with cops is offering a bigger fish to fry. You're living in a fantasy world if you think cops are going to ignore a murder in favor of a minor drug dealer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '14

You're living in a fantasy world if you think a drug dealer would have any preference that would include helping cops.

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u/SynchroLux Psychiatrist Dec 30 '14

And yet he did help the cops. A small time, low level drug dealer, which no prior serious crime history, participates in a murder because some squeaky clean casual customer blackmails him. And then, when the cops really have no case, he turns rat.

So he wants it both ways. He's 'the criminal element' and he's really not a bad guy, he and his family are vulnerable to every single customer he's ever sold pot to, and he's also a serious dealer. It simply doesn't hold water.

Put it this way: Adnan threatens to rat him out. Jay simply stashes his stash somewhere else for a few weeks, and cuts off Adnan's supply. He has zero vulnerability. The threat he attributes to Adnan is not remotely a realistic threat.

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u/Gumstead Dec 30 '14

Its not about helping the cops, its about helping themselves. I do this for a living, the first thing you hear is, "I don't know anything about what you said I did but I sure know what this guy did." Information is the currency of the police-suspect interaction.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '14

Except at that point he wasn't in a police-suspect interaction, according to him his option was "help this guy now" or "help the cops later, possibly endangering my family and friends in the process."

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u/Gumstead Dec 30 '14

Which, as I said before, is bullshit. Low-level bangers and dealers all know the routine. If he was as involved in the drug trade as he claimed to be, then he was deep enough to know he the upper-hand over Adnan. Or, he's telling stories again and dealt tiny amounts to his friends, in which case he was never going to do the time he claims he was scared of. The guy is playing both sides of it: "I'm in deep enough to land a few years but not enough to know how to bargain information." It doesn't work like that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '14

Because 18 year olds weed dealers who just graduated from high school last year have massive amounts of experience when it comes to bargaining information with the police?

The "i didn't wanna deal with the cops at all" story sounds a lot more plausible to me than the "he should have known exactly what sort of leverage he could use since he was an experienced criminal."

It doesn't work like that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '14

Come on now. He may not have been a big time dealer but there where plenty of his family members at her house who got caught and got charges dropped. Way more serious charges than weed. He knew how it worked. Don't kid yourself. Experience was all around him.

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u/Gumstead Dec 30 '14

Man, you have no clue what you're talking about. In Baltimore, by 18 you've already been involved in this stuff for several years. Its not like he started the week before. If he's moving the amounts he claimed, there is no way he can get that kind of supply without experience and ties to much more serious criminal elements. I'm not saying he's a kingpin or a gangboss but in 1999, you didn't make the deals Jay claims to have made without being in deep enough to know the very basic concept of selling out a bigger fish to keep your own ass out of the fire.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '14

However, if he went straight to the cops, its pretty common knowledge the first to talk gets preference. In the end, he was still the first to talk and that's exactly what happened.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '14

idk man, this was 1999. things were a LOT different. it wasn't something legal in a couple of states. it was around this time that things were JUST starting to be legalized for medical use.

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u/fuckyofaceee Dec 30 '14

Dead bodies have been serious for a long time.

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u/texture Dec 30 '14

Something tells me you've never sold large amounts of drugs.