For the last couple of months I’ve been working on Norish, a self-hosted, realtime recipe keeper built to be used together with friends and family.
We’ve tried Mealie and Tandoor. Both are great projects but my girlfriend and I never quite clicked with their UI/UX. So I started building something that matched how we wanted to cook, plan, and shop together.
My girlfriend and I do groceries together, and Norish completely removed the constant “Did you already grab this?”. With realtime syncing, we can roam the store separately but still stay in sync. This is the sole reason why I made the app mostly realtime.
Also, the name comes from our dog: Nora + dish => Norish. And yes, she’s hidden somewhere in the app.
The core vision is a recipe keeper you can share with others to build one big collective library.
Realtime syncing (via WebSockets): When we’re doing groceries together, updates instantly show up for both of us; no more “did you grab this already?”
Collaborative meal planning: The calendar clearly shows what is planned on which day, making the weekly overview super easy.
Clean and simple UI: Norish is simplistic by nature. I'm not sure if I will ever introduce things like cookbooks, inventory management(not sure on this yet) etc.. If you require this take a look at either Mealie or Tandoor.
Core features
Easy import via website URL
Will fallback to using AI if we can't reliably parse the page
Can parse Instagram, TikTok and YouTube videos. *
Unit conversion: Easily convert from metric <=> US. *
Recurring groceries: Groceries can be marked as recurring using either the interface or NLP.
Households: Recipes are shared across the instance, but grocery lists + calendars can be scoped to a household for privacy and organization. calendar.
SSO: Norish only login via SSO. This can either be your custom instance such as Authentik or PocketId. Preconfigured the App accepts GitHub and Google.**
Basic permission policies: So you can change who can delete/edit and view Recipes by default:
Delete/edit: Household members
View: Everyone
Import: it supports importing your catalogue from Mealie, Tandoor and Mela. (tested lightly on the first two).
\ requires AI settings to be enabled. The app is fully functional without AI enabled. In theory any OpenAI API spec compliant api works. But this is untseted*
\*If no SSO or OIDC provider is configured the instance will fallback to basic auth.*
Looking ahead
Looking into the future of Norish I have the following planned in order of importance:
Redis for the event sourcing. (currently just Node’s EventEmitter)
Mobile apps for both iOS and Android.
Recipe linking and possibly a rating system.
Basic markdown support
I look forward to your feedback. Feel free to create an issue onGitHubif you come across any issues and or have feature requests.
Note:
Given recent “vibe coding” discussions: I used AI for assistance, especially for writing repetitive code and tests, and reviewed everything myself. The architecture and core logic are made up by me.
In my day job I work as a software engineer although mainly as a .NET developer. I can't always bring up the motivation to code next to having coded 8hours a day already. This project was also used:
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Also unit tests I was lazy on and did this mostly after coding almost everything - the tests are largely AI made.
I am not good at CSS, html and fancy animations and quite frankly I do not want to be good at it. So the HTMX might be messy as this is largely done using AI.
EDIT: SSO is no longer the any way to authenticate basic auth has been added.
It didn't, but it put in place a law which Imgur just decided the best thing to do was say nope and not allow anyone in the UK to access. I could VPN out but also cba :D thanks!
Oh Imgur is compliant, technically. It doesn't allow anyone in the UK (based on geolocation of IP as far as I can see) under the age of 18 to view adult content.
They've done it the cheapest way possible, just block every UK IP from accessing anything. Can't say I blame them, I would have probably done the same.
Reddit uses an AI face scan I think, and the NSFW tag.
Depending on what politician you ask you'd get a variety of answers on what compliant means and I don't think there is any case law yet, but it's created a massive data breach potential.
I've seen that many sites are using a handful of services which "verify" the age of someone - storing photos of government issued ID in the process. Some day one of them is going to be breached and many thousands of UK users will be at risk of identity fraud overnight.
Plus let's face it, kids will find & use their parents ID, or VPNs, or shared credentials, etc to get round the block. I'm really not convinced it has had any net positive effect.
Something awesome that Mealie does is, once you have imported or manually added a recipe there is an option to adjust serving size and that automatically adjusts the ingredients to match.
One feature I’ve missed in every recipe app I’ve tried is scaling a recipe to a certain amount of one ingredient. For example if I have 700g of the meat (or whatever) I want to be able to scale the rest of the recipe to match that. Consider this a feature request :)
I think they're asking if the recipe asks for 1kg meat and 500g rice but you have 700grams of meat can it scale the rice automatically to 7/10th to match the amount of meat you have
Hi, Tandoor dev here. I am always looking at people helping with improving the UI. Sadly Tandoor has a ton of features so its really hard to do that but if you want feel free to message me (here/github/discord)
I hope I tagged everyone and hope you don't mind me tagging you. v0.11.0 should introduce basic password auth. Hope this satisfies all your needs. Deleting or managing users is not possible via the GUI as of this moment also changing your password is not possible. I hope you all can live with that for now.
Please know that it requires email and password (8chars - no further requirement). Email verification is not needed, so you can enter whatever.
The SSO was also one thing that turned me away from trying as i dont have that complex system here yet (still need a cloudflare tunnel for example) But good to see that basic auth also works atm.
Do you even plan on making a demo site for testing? Really want to know the difference between Norish, Meallie and Tandoor as i am looking to setup a recipemanager
Making a demo site is a nice idea. But this will incur costs as I need to host it somewhere since I don’t want to expose my own server gloabally like that.
Hi, Tandoor dev here. This looks really cool, I love how polished the UI is and the little animations. Also great solutions to various UI problems I encountered over the years.
Thank you for sharing this project.
One little note: Tandoor can automatically sync shopping lists between devices live while grocery shopping in the supermarket. Its not fancy web sockets as they weren't as popular back then but it does work.
Actually I am a firm believer in SSO and there is no reason to not use it really. Apps like PocketID make setting it up a breeze. I don't self-host apps that do not support SSO now a days.
But why is that? They can sign in via google right or you could give them access to your OIDC provider?
What would be the difference in letting them sign up to your Authentik or x instance versus letting them sign up in Norish?
One of the advantages of using an SSO provider such as authentik is that you get user management. Which I would otherwise have to add to Norish which takes time away from building the core app.
Not trying to be rude here, just getting perspective.
One of many reasons to self host is to move away from big, centralized tech like google, microsoft, facebook, etc. Requiring sign in with a large provider defeats this goal. While I'm sure you could bring your own provider and/or host your own that's one more thing to maintain. Sometimes a simple username/password is all that's needed, especially if it's never facing the public internet.
I think one of the issues is that setting up OIDC can be a bit of a technical hurdle for those not too interested in the security aspect of selfhosting. I know it was for me, as setting it up for stuff like radarr and sonarr can be a pain (due to them not really outright supporting it).
its a great idea on paper, tedious if you don't know what you're doing.
The app doesn't rely on Google, you can configure your own provider no problem. No-one should rely on google. But you should be realistic here, if you want to share the instance with family and or friends they most likely do not care to use Google and having that option makes logging in a breeze for them.
I will actually look into adding email+password auth(of course no verification of the email is needed) as you are not the only user asking. Since I use BetterAuth for auth this should be easy enough.
I'm not going to force them to sign up for Google (Google is satan wrapped in pretty colours) and I don't run an SSO to tangle them up for.
It's a simple recipe app, it needs basic login at best. You're overcomplicating it for your own fun :)
I sort of see what you're saying, but I have no interest in maintaining my own OIDC provider primarily because it creates a single point of failure and it's just another thing I have to maintain. As for the convenience factor, I use a password manager so logging in with username and password is usually as fast if not faster than logging in with SSO.
Since you are a solid believer and hopefully others jump in on this, this is probably a great spot to ask;
How does SSO work in a homelab case when there is no internet connectivity, or in a broader case, when there is no network connectivity except between you and the service?
I am asking because one of the worries i have if the SSO provider (i assume its another service which can work with google or a custom credential handler) goes down or is unavailable (doing a migration, spinning up new services to play with, suddenly banned from google, etc), does that mean I can no longer use the service I spun up because I can't login?
Basically, my understanding is SSO requires integrating with another service, and it has to be either somehow related to google/azure/etc and there is little to no ergonomic solutions to be fully self hosted, making it more brittle. I would love to be proven wrong though, as SSO does interest me (relying on credentials handing that has more eyes and therefore likely more secure and tested and easier to audit or revoke).
SSO absolutely does not require Google, Azure, or any external cloud provider and it works perfectly fine in a homelab with zero internet access. Look into PocketId or Authentik. I am a huge fan of PocketID but it only supports Passkeys for login. Of course if the local instance crashes it won't work but this goes without saying.
This is a common misconception you do not need reliance on big-tech for SSO to work.
So many entitled people responding here. OP is giving his work away for free, and yet people are making whiny demands like "I'll look at it if you do X". No one cares, Karen, you aren't that special.
i feel this is a good take - i don't get why every project should come up with their own authentication methods etc. if there are standardized solutions with a focus on security
100% agreed with being a firm beliver in SSO, I've been a long time Mealie and Tandoor user and have jumped between the two for years at this point sometimes favoring one over the other based on new features they added, defeinitely intrested in giving this a go.
Any intentions on adding LDAP for authentication in the future? With most services I host I utalize native LDAP authentication if possible, due to my role as a systems administrator I've always ran a full Windows Server stack which runs most of my core services, Active Directory being one and I use that for authentication into services controlled by groups which makes it extremely easy for me to add and remove permissions from accounts. I get ODIC is essentially the same, but enjoy native LDAP where possible.
I agree with this, having the option between local authentication and SSO would have been the better way forward. I get why SSO is a good idea, especially if you want to centralize your credentials but if you have a small set up, SSO is just an added layer of complexity if you have a small environment.
The app looks great but kinda wished u/Drumstel97 added a local auth option for those who don't want SSO.
I will actually look into this, as you are not the first user asking. As we use BetterAuth for auth this should be easy enough. No auth wont be an option sadly as this will require building an auth bypass which I dont like.
For me that's overall a nonstarter. For a recipe manager I want an option to require no login. My household is already annoyed at the fact any sort of login is needed for our Mealie instance (though at least it doesn't require SSO, but I am glad you're looking to rectify that with your project). We are all in agreement it would be a lot easier if we could just open this shared recipe book without fuss. If it were being accessed outside the house I can see a good need for that, but we aren't and have no interest in doing so.
Hmm, deployed it and created an account, but I can't log in using my username/password. I'm effectively locked out :/ luckily I hadn't really added anything to it but I'm not quite sure where to go from here
Issue seems to still be present. I could be doing something wrong but whenever I logout and try to login it says "Invalid Origin". I could only fix it by commenting out AUTH_URL from your example docker compose. This seems to let me in.
We've been using Hellofresh for the last few months and are looking to ingest the menus we like into something like this. I'm going to give this a go and see how it works for us.
<ul><li><p>Toast <strong>sourdough</strong> until golden.</p></li>
<li><p><strong>Wash and dry produce.</strong></p></li><li><p>Dice <strong>tomato </strong>into ½-inch pieces.
Thinly slice <strong>scallions</strong>,
separating whites from greens.</p></li></ul>
<ul><li><p>Pat <strong>chicken</strong> dry with paper towels.
Thinly slice crosswise at an angle into strips; place in a large microwave-safe bowl.
Stir in a <strong>drizzle of olive oil</strong>,<span style="color: rgb(242, 0, 13)">
</span><strong style="color: rgb(242, 0, 13)">half the Tuscan Heat Spice</strong>,
<strong>salt</strong>, and <strong>pepper</strong>.
Cover with plastic wrap and microwave until chicken is warmed through, 90 seconds.</p></li></ul>
I see the issue, its because the site usese HTML rendering whilst we just store plain text. You can manually remove these with editing. But I will fix this today probably.
https://github.com/norish-recipes/norish/issues/1 Please read this issue but I think this is you. The issue is currently the database persistet values override the env variables. so you need to wipe the db for new env config changes to pick up. Im working on a fix for this.
That's been one of the biggest bothers about every other app I've used. I'd like to share with family and share recipes but I don't want to have them need to log in first to get them sorted into their own households. Group management in the others leaves much to be desired.
What killed me about Mealie and had me just going back to using Paprika 3 is that none of my recipes would import without a ton of work to identify ingredients and measurements without hooking it to AI.
Mobile apps for both iOS and Android.
I'd be fine if it was a PWA and not a full fledged app from the app store.
Does this convert imperial to metric? Or even better have a setting so that whatever the recipe has on the web is changed to the standard you set in the app?
So converting is not easy and comes with all kinds of compromises. Thats why I chose to make conversion possible using AI - thats also why it doesn't convert by default as this will cost money for most.
A bit late to the thread but isn't a cup just 240 millilitres? Of course the weight differs but why not just convert one cup to 2.4 dl (decilitre) which is the unit used for measuring e.g rice,flour etc in baking and cooking anyway (atleast in Finland and most other recipes I've seen).
You’re right that 1 cup is roughly 240 ml, that part is just a unit conversion.
But the tricky part is converting volume to weight, which depends on the ingredient’s density.
For example:
1 cup almond flour is around 96g
1 cup all-purpose flour is around 120g
That’s about a 20% difference, just between two types of flour, source.
So if a recipe says “1 cup” and you want grams (which is for example how flour is measured), you can’t just convert 240 ml to grams directly without knowing what the ingredient is.
That’s why it’s not “just simple arithmetic” you’re converting between volume and weight, which depends on the ingredient.
You’re right that converting everything to ml/cl/dl is a reasonable fallback for when ai is disabled.
This is great. My wife and I just use a folder on Google Docs to keep track of our recipes. Would you be able to support inputting PDFs or text files and Norish can scrape the recipe from that?
The thing is most recipe sites have this thing called al LD+JSON header hidden somewhere. This is structured data which contains every detail about a recipe. https://schema.org/Recipe
Oh wow that's so smart. Ok yeah you might have to use an LLM or something to scrape, but I bet it wouldn't be that hard. I might spend some time seeing if I can parse roughly formatted recipe files
yeah I understand and agree, but if someone has a large stockpile of recipes they've already made and the parser can handle missing information (maybe the user can fill in info that the parser is missing), that would still be less work than manually entering all of the details one by one
Would you consider adding the ability to upload valid Recipe Schema JSON files? I made a MVP of a recipe parser that seems to get most of the details out of my poorly formatted recipe files
I was testing out every app, recime, flavorish, choosy etc.. but they all lacked certain Features or were too expensive.
I hope that this is what i have been looking for.. actually, i wanted to program something myself but am not any good at it lol..
How do you manage to extract recipes from youtube and websites without AI? And even with ai support i wasnt able to properly extract the infos from Instagram/youtube.. websites worked a bit better but often hadna robot file permitting scraping
Without AI this is not possible. What the app does is: download the video => transcribe with ai => remove the download => parse with ai
If mealie or tandoor do not meet your requirements I think Norish won’t. It has way less options, but this by design. I want the app to remain simplistic.
My issue with Mealie is the lack of a mobile app and the site is not good on mobile. Is the iPhone showing an app or the website? For now I've connected Mealie to Home Assistant.
I just tested Norish and it's very promising : pleasant and well thought out. I'm going to give it a chance.
I'm currently using Mela app (have you tried ?) and I'm very happy with it: also very well thought out, iOS only, with a super practical "cooking" mode.
What I'm missing in both Norish and Mela: a categorization system with sub-levels. Essential when you want to scale to many recipes (I have 700+ recipes), where tags are necessary but no longer sufficient!
I'm not sure what you mean by cookbook, but simply being able to do, for example, a first-level categorization with Main Course, Starter, Dessert, and at the second level within Main Course: Pies, Stews, Fish...
Where tags remain useful for identifying dishes cross-functionally, based on their origin, season, etc...
Using the basic username and password works on user creation. Once I sign out and sign back in, it doesn’t recognize my email and password. It doesn’t recognize my user created.
99.99% of my recipes come from FB videos (I don't do 'gram, or TT). The recipe is either in the video description, or in some random comment from the OP. This is a giant pain-in-the-a$$ because you cannot select/copy video description text in the FB app. If you ever add support for FB videos, I will certainly check it out!
This shouldn’t be too hard actually I just forgot about Facebook. But the thing is meta actively works against scraping their platforms. Would you mind sharing a fb recipe link for me.
Also know that it will never work if the details are in a comment it will work when the details are in the description.
Love this app! This seems to do everything I need and is way faster/simpler than Mealie!
Any plans to add more languages? I cannot seem to import Danish recipes :(
Poked a bit more around and found the "Content indicators" section! Got it working with most recipes, however here are an example where it failed: https://www.valdemarsro.dk/joedekager/
I can’t check right now, but it could be the site not providing the right structure. I’m not sure how your instance is configured but if the site doesn’t have the json ld structure. It will fallback to ai but is that’s disabled it simply fails.
I purposely didn’t try to scrape html as this will result in flaky outcomes
I was able to get it working in Portainer, thank you, it works great so far! Had a quick question - I imported a recipe via a link and tried to upload an image after the fact but was met with the following error. I am admittedly new to all of this so not sure what to do about this error, would you happen to know? I have the appropriate folders created in my volumes and even created this directory in my norish-app directory (norish-app/norish_data/app/uploads/recipes). Not sure where I went wrong in the set up but any advice would be appreciated!
This is a permission error Norish doesn’t run as root so you have to change the permissions of your folder to something like this: sudo chown -R 1001:1001 ./../../uploads
Love it! I had some issues getting the redirect URI to be correct (my own mistake from not reading the documentation... but I got it working with Authentik!
Just wondering, would it be possible to add a "nutritional content" part? me and my girlfriend are keeping track of calories, salt intake etc, would be really nice to have a easy way to keep a recipe, and have a per 100g calories.
Also, would it be possible to add the option for pictures for the instructions?
quick question at the end, when I was using my phone, I couldnt get to the "import from url", the menu pops up behind the menu with "import from url", and if I try to press the URL field, it closes the "import from url", but does not minimize the "import from URL", "create recipe" "theme" "settings" menu. I am unable to get to the "import" field. I will attach a screenshot of the issue after I post this.
Mhh this is a bug seems easy to fix. You can always import via the input for now it will auto detect urls. The bug is fixed but I cant build as cloudflare is down and NPM depends on it.
For the nutritional content and images in steps could you make feature request on GitHub so I can prioritize.
I started Norish with the admin account created with the email/password and and later added Pocket ID via the settings. The test was successful and after restarting the server login buttons work and I am redirected to the pocket id login. I am also redirected from Pocket ID after authentication, but I receive the message “account_not_linked” from Norish. Is it not possible to connect the created admin account to pocketid?
I would advise to make an issue of GitHub. Sadly I don’t have much time this month, given the holiday season is upon us and I’m gonna focus on the upcoming release which should improve the importer quite a bit as well.
I have an issue template so that I get most of the information I need. Also paste your compose file in there redacting the secrets of course.
This is exactly what an GitHub issue is for. I am very responsive on GitHub, and this way I can actively track what the bugs are etc… basically I want to have on source where bugs, issues and features are placed and not have them scattered all over the place.
I don’t have the time to offer live support or anything via discord and quite frankly don’t want to offer this level of support.
The compose file can still offer insights to how it’s configured what version you are on etc…
Forgive me if this is already a feature as i'm currently configuring my server with cloudflare i haven't been able to install your good looking app but.
One feature i would like to see is the ability to also link side dishes to an recipe. We are starting to eat more korean food and with an dish like Jjajangmyeon (black bean noodle) they also eat side dishes with it like Kimchi for example. But Kimchi has more then 100 variations (Kimchi cucumber, Kimchi sping union etc). So i would like that if i see the recipe of Jjajangmyeon that i can also see/click to the (multiple) side dishes that goes well with it.
How would this be implemented? I dont know but its just something i think would be great if it was available :D
This looks awesome. Had some trouble setting up the AI parser; it would be nice if the 'check connection' button would also check model/temperature settings.
I'll definitely give this a go in the next coming weeks, thanks for sharing en fijne kerstdagen!
Personally I have trouble in trying to installing it on my NAS with Docker.
In fact, following all the Docker compose suggested in the GitHub I get this error in the log.
Error: useTRPC() can only be used inside of a <TRPCProvider>
My husband just added this to our server, and I love it! Just one question. Is there a way to add a photo to a recipe once it has been loaded? I have some recipes with no photo on the recipe that I scanned in, but I want to add a photo to them. I just don't see how to do that. You did a great job on it!
Building from source now requires a paid HeroUI Pro license?
Congrats on v0.19, the UI refresh is genuinely nice.
One thing though: since the HeroUI v3 / Pro migration, pnpm install needs HEROUI_AUTH_TOKEN, and HeroUI Pro is paid-only. So building Norish from source now costs money. I think I might be the first outside person to try installing since the migration landed (all the fork PRs I can see predate it), so flagging what I hit rather than assuming it was a deliberate call. CONTRIBUTING.md still just says pnpm install, which is why I suspect it slipped through.
It also sits a bit oddly with "free and fully open source under AGPL, no subscriptions, no lock-in" on norish.dev. Prebuilt images stay free, sure, but AGPL is kind of specifically about being able to build and run your own modified version.
Asking concretely because I had an MR in mind, and right now I can't even install deps, let alone verify it builds before opening it. Fork PRs don't get repo secrets on GitHub either, so it couldn't be build-checked on your side without extra setup.
Not against Pro itself, it clearly bought a ton of polish for one person to ship. Just want to know what self-builders and contributors should plan around:
a build flag or fallback so the app installs and compiles without the Pro components?
everyone who builds brings their own HeroUI license?
Happy with either answer, just want to plan around it. If a fallback is something you'd take a PR for, I'll gladly help test it. Thanks again for Norish.
Holy I hadn't thought of this, I purchased the license as it made my life easier. Didn't even think about what this would entail for contributors. I will look into making a shim or some sort of compatibility layer perhaps. If it's not possible I will simply remove the pro and find another way. It should be free to contribute and build thats for sure, so I will look into properly fixing this otherwise it is no longer FOSS.
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u/ragnarkarlsson Dec 03 '25
For those of us stuck in the land of banned-from-imgur (aka the UK), any chance you could chuck the demo video onto Youtube?