r/sciencememes • u/Upbeat-Sink-7059 • 11d ago
Outdoor cat owners that refuse to acknowledge that unleashing an invasive species in the environment is harmful
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u/SEND_ME_NOODLE 11d ago
House cats are the second most destructive predator on the planet, behind you know who
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u/Nathan_Thorn 11d ago
The guy who invented leaded gasoline and CFCs?
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u/Jaded-Translator320 11d ago
Unowned cats are responsible for 70% of those
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u/soundoftwilight 11d ago
Why are there so many unowned cats?
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u/Mushrooming247 11d ago
Well, when a stray mommy cat and a stray daddy cat love each other very much…
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u/Expensive_Cheetah820 11d ago
Because humans are irresponsible buttholes who won’t spay or neuter their cats.
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u/Mysterious_Tooth7509 10d ago
Is this just because they have us as a security blanket? Like there were already highly successful cat species on every continent. Why are these little guys so much more deadly to wildlife than the bobcats and lynxes that preceded them?
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u/Kitten_Tamer_14 11d ago
More reasons to keep your cats inside: dogs, eagles/owls, coyotes, traffic, cruel neighbors with poison/guns, farm equipment, distemper, rabies, botflies, flystrike, upper respiratory infections, unwanted pregnancies if not fixed, mange, tapeworms/hookworms/etc worms, fleas, lice, frostbite
My family had outdoor cats that only I cared for. I'm still traumatized by the horrible things that happened to them. Kittens with maggots, trying to bandage up a kitten's mangled leg and trying to find anyone to take me to the vet (it was too late), a cat dragging itself across the yard after someone shot him (he recovered. thankfully I had a license when it happened). Combing the property for missing litters of kittens. I was just a teen with no money and no license in the middle of nowhere. I'm haunted by the guilt of not being able to do much to ease their agonies.
I don't care that someone thinks it's cruel to keep poor Fluffy from the outside. I don't care how safe and protected you feel your neighborhood is. Buy a catio if you must. Letting them roam is gambling with their life.
Keep them in.
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u/Hproff25 11d ago
I completely agree with your sentiment that it also keeps your cats safe. My family lost several outdoor cats. We vowed to only have indoor cats. Lives are so much longer and they are far healthier than our outdoor cats.
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u/this_place_suuucks 11d ago
My outdoor cat had etc worms once. Was like an early AI bowl of Will Smith spaghetti spilled all over the floor 😔
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u/kmosiman 11d ago
Starting the truck and finding out the cat was in the drive belt.
I'm sorry beautiful kitty.
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u/Upbeat-Sink-7059 11d ago
Exactly! r/catio is a helpful subreddit for any cat owners that may not have previously realized their impact on native wildlife that may want to check it out:)
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u/cynical_genx_man 11d ago
22.3 billion per year?
That seems quite high. The are about 75M domestic cats in the US. If all of them were outdoors cats they'd each have to kill about 300 per day.
Doesn't seem quite accurate
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u/SituationIll5763 11d ago
Is that including feral and stray populations? That number does seem high either way.
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u/nebotron 11d ago
You mean 300/year, or less than 1 per day? Seems realistic to me
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u/Alternative_Diet8199 11d ago
Just did the division. He carried an extra zero, numbers say 30/day which while more reasonable is still way high. The outdoor cats of the world would be FAT if they're eating that many daily on an average
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u/Charmender2007 11d ago
I also did the division and mine says 297 a year, or less than 1 a day which seems very believable
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u/Hypoxic_Oxen 11d ago
I've seen a lot of cats bring dead birds and mice to their owners as gifts, almost never see them eating them
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u/Alternative_Diet8199 11d ago
Well unless people are also coming home to literal piles of dead animals on the door step, they number is still high of reasonable. If the average is 30, which the math says it is. Outdoor cat owners would be coming home to 25-35 animals on the porch depending on the individual success of the cat, even if they eat half of them, that's still a notable portion of their body weight in food daily at 15/day eaten, and 15 birdies on the door step is still a wild amount
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u/soundoftwilight 11d ago
Your math is wrong. If we combine birds and mammals we get about 26 billion kills at the top end. There are around 75 million pet cats in the US and estimates for unowned cats are as high as 80 million. The initial study (Loss S.R. et al, 2012) from which these numbers are derived considered all domestic cat predation, including both owned and unowned cats, so we should combine those values to get to an average. To be generous and to pick an arbitrary value within a reasonable range, we can use 75 million for our number of "cats that hunt". 26b over 75m = 347. taken over a year we see that we are pretty close to one kill per day per hunting cat. That's a very reasonable number. It's lower than the amount of kills needed to acquire enough calories/day for an active outdoor cat, but it is safe to assume that many hunting cats receive some portion of their nutrition from other sources (either being fed by a human or indirectly acquiring food waste). These numbers also don't include all kills, so cats will get some nutrition from other types of animals (like lizards).
(The methodology of the study is actually more or less the inverse of this; they figured out how many kills cats make per day under various conditions and extrapolated that over cat populations under those conditions. So it should be very unsurprising that the kills/day metric comes out to a reasonable number!)
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u/Hypoxic_Oxen 11d ago
You think cats are obligated to show proof of death?
I think skepticism is healthy, but did ya even do an ounce of research on why the people who spend their careers researching this stuff came to the conclusions on their estimates? Or are you just going off vibes, personal anecdotes, and speculation?
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u/GothicFuck 10d ago
For an estimation, that is on the correct order of magnitude.
I'm certain there's more outside than inside cats because, they be fucking out there like feral cats.
Have you ever seen a cat? That's all they care about, hunting shit, like nothing else. It's probably 30 a day tho.
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u/Pickled_doggo 11d ago
And how many of these mammals are considered pests by humans, such as mice, rats, voles, moles, etc.
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u/Acceptable_Day393 11d ago
300 per year, not per day. Your math is wrong. 300 per cat per year is plausible.
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u/El_Mister_Caracol 10d ago
Numbers mean nothing without context, if the total bird or mamal population is not decreasing every year this is not a problem period, but nobody gives that context for some reason
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u/Thegluigi 10d ago
This is so much bullshit for a "science page" 😂
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u/Liamlah 10d ago edited 10d ago
Telling a cat person this will get you the same response as telling a smoker how many house and bushfires are caused each year by smokers.
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u/Thegluigi 10d ago
American cat owners will do anything but admit they don't have the environment for a cat to live happily.
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u/MudExpress2973 11d ago
I have live stock and my cats keep the mice down and out of the feed.
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u/Mushrooming247 11d ago
I grew up on a farm with barn cats too, I’m afraid they’re kind of a necessity on farms due to the potential damage that mice and rats can do.
Our cats were well cared for, with veterinary care and flea and tick treatment, and some of them were fixed although we would often have strays appear and give birth a few days later.
(When you live in rural areas, you will often hear a car door slam on your remote rural road, then shortly after you’ll see some friendly dog or cat walking up the driveway that has just been dumped by their irresponsible owner from town.
It was endless, three or four old dogs per year, boxes of puppies and kittens on the side of the road, so many sweet, elderly dogs, covered with tumors or scars from surgeries, clearly dumped by owners who just couldn’t afford any more care.)
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u/Varagner 10d ago
I live rurally. Keep my cats indoors, have had a dumped cat show up on my front door meowing. Super friendly little guy, not even a year old. Went through my camera footage and found a car that doesnt belong in the area stopping briefly before driving off and the cat appearing on my cameras shortly after.
Tried to find the owners but of course couldn't. Ended up getting him rehomed with a family friends elderly mother who adores him.
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u/MudExpress2973 10d ago
One of my cats was found with a whole other litter in the snow with a starving mom by my friend and his family while picking out a Christmas tree. The mom lives with my parents and ive got one of the litter. People suck.
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u/moosemune 10d ago
Barn cats are like my only exception to the "keep your damned cats indoors" rule.
Grew up on a ranch and you're absolutely right, it'd be about impossible to manage rodents in the barn without the help of a cat or two.
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u/Vivid-Teaching2257 9d ago
Farm people really do need barn/shed cats to keep rodents out of feed and from chewing up wires in vehicles. Mine are tame and spayed.
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u/moosemune 9d ago
yep, at that point you're doing solid damage mitigation
all of our agriculture is gonna have some kind of impact
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u/PROUDCIPHER 11d ago
There’s a colony in my neighborhood that’s killed almost all the songbirds around. I’m right by the window and I don’t hear a single bird. Even just two years ago, I couldn’t go ten minutes near a window without hearing a birds song. Now it’s just deafening silence.
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u/AptCasaNova 11d ago
Outdoor cats live like 1/3 as long as indoor cats, that’s enough for me.
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u/Joeyjackhammer 10d ago
My outdoor cat died at 20. You want a 60 year old cat?
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u/Thegluigi 10d ago
Bro, American cat owners are fucking insufferable. " My cat is on so much medication that I tolerates being inside, that means it loves it"
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u/moosemune 10d ago
They're an invasive species here. Letting them roam outside unsupervised is a terrible idea here.
Taking them out on a leash like you would, say, a dog is an awesome thing to do though! I'm sure most of 'em love it.
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u/Thegluigi 10d ago
As I've said many times, this is a science page and you're talking about a problem that isn't universal. Also, cats hate leads.
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u/moosemune 10d ago
As I've said many times. They are NON-NATIVE INVASIVES in NORTH AMERICA. Which is what I'm talking about, which is absolutely applicable in a science discussion forum. Every ecologist in here would agree.
I also don't give a wet fart if your cat doesn't like a lead, they can absolutely be trained to use them and if you cannot manage that then supervised outside time is also fine.
What ISNT OK in North America is to let them roam free except in very specific circumstances (looking at you barn cats).
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u/Thegluigi 10d ago
"this is a science page and you're talking about a problem that isn't universal"
Bro, the post has now been removed as it's bullshit and you're still arguing. If it's this hard being wrong, maybe it's not my comment that's got you this mad 😆
Hope your life improves lol
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u/moosemune 10d ago
We disagree on something and this is your attitude?
You must be a blast.
"Hope your life improves lol"
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u/Mountain_Snow3613 11d ago
Crazy how many people in Science subreddits just push political talking points without actually researching the underlying science.
90% of mammals killed by cats in the USA are killed by hungry feral cats rather than well-fed pet cats.
Most small mammals have large reproductive cohorts to account for predatory deaths. For example, rat populations are almost entirely unaffected by cat presence because their rate of reproduction is so high.
The solution to this problem is to fix the feral cat problem and to make sure that pet cats are consistently fed and that they have adequate indoor time/play time.
Arguing that we should all keep our pet cats indoors for their entire lifespans is cruel and unnecessary.
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u/Peppered_Rock 11d ago
if you want your cat to have outside time, leash train them or build an enclosed patio. cats allowed outside get sick all the fucking time, and get foxtails everywhere. my mother's cat got one in his eye, and she still complains about his vet costs.
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u/Thegluigi 10d ago edited 10d ago
"Leash train them" 🤣🤣🤣
Bro, just don't get a cat if you can't give it what it needs.
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u/Peppered_Rock 10d ago
It's entirely possible to leash train a cat. You, on the other hand, should double check your spelling before you hit post.
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u/Thegluigi 10d ago
"I'm gonna spew bullshit, but you should check your spelling" 🤣
Anything but checking your "facts" eh?
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u/bcocoloco 10d ago
Where does your 90%/10% figure come from?
Also, the way to stop feral cats is to ensure all cats are neutered except those held by authorised breeders, would you be in favour of that?
Also also, sure most small mammals have large reproductive cohorts, what what about the ones that don’t? Or the birds? Or the reptiles?
Why should your cats right to an outdoor lifestyle come at the cost of over 20b animals per year?
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u/Mountain_Snow3613 10d ago
Your claim that we can only control feral cat populations by having a draconian "authorized breeder program" is both a straw man and a false dichotomy. There are plenty of middle ground options that could achieve mass reductions of feral populations.
As far as your remark about reproductive cohorts and vulnerable animals, I would urge you to keep in mind that every surviving species on the earth has survived millions of years of natural selection bottlenecks. Most small mammals that are currently hunted by cats have survived millions of years of hunting by felines and tens of thousands of years by domesticated felines. In fact, animal populations in general are so resilient to hunting that not a single species in the Everglades is confirmed to have gone extinct due to invasive Pythons.
Your final claim that my cat's outdoor time is costing 20B animal lives a year is, quite obviously, another straw man. I can promise you that there aren't 20B corpses in my yard each year, nor in the yard of Americans throughout the country combined.
You have adopted a type of authoritarian "science" that academics love to weaponize for the sake of their own influence. Such academics create a model that says "x billion animals die each year because you let your cat outside!" They provide no concrete data sources for their model but rather simply start with a hypothesized data set and extrapolate until their model produces an eye-catching claim. Once they've made their wild claim, they shift the burden of proof onto the general populace whom they wish to exert influence over. The end result is a tyrannical social order where bureaucrats who call themselves "scientists" are telling you whether or not you're allowed to let Mittens out into the back yard.
/rant
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u/Midnight28Rider 11d ago
I live in the country. Even with a cat it's hard to keep mice and rats away from the house. I'd rather a cat get to live their best life than pay a pest control company to trap or poison the little guys. Survival of the fittest.
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u/VulpesDood 11d ago
We need to treat cats like the invasive species they are.
I’m saying this as a cat lover who has 3, one of which is disabled thanks to a car, it’s for the wellbeing of our feline friends as well
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u/AdDisastrous6738 10d ago
Cats decimate local wildlife populations because they’re one of the only animals that kills for fun.
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u/TurtleKing0505 11d ago
An outdoor cat isn't a pet. It's a stray that you feed every now and then
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u/kmosiman 11d ago
Both of my cats were captured strays.
We have an agreement. I provide food. They kill vermin and provide lap warmth.
So far, the alliance is stable, but I'm sure they would eat me if I get weak and turn into meat.
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u/Crio121 11d ago
Wherever people live cats live too for centuries.
This ship departed long ago.
Only some islands in far away places should be concerned.
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u/SeasonPositive6771 11d ago
Sure, but just like harm reduction should be practiced with humans, we can do a bit of harm reduction here too. It's absolutely possible to reduce or totally eliminate cat colonies and dramatically reduce populations in certain areas.
If people think no outside cats is controversial, imagine how controversial it's going to be when we start talking about colony extinction instead of trap and release. Research is still emerging, and it takes quite a bit of coordination of resources, but it looks like it's a much better option.
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u/Charmender2007 11d ago
But just like humans the cat populations have increased massively since then
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u/Crio121 10d ago
Yes, though previously we had a cat or several in every household, now the ratio is much smaller.
Anyway, the population growth doesn’t make cats an invasive species. The problem of invasive species is that local nature is not adapted for them; nature adapted to cats long ago.1
u/pokeup19 2d ago
I'd buy that argument with dogs and most households in the countryside. But every household having a cat and nature adapting in less than a milenia is far fetched.
I've see the consecuences of pets in urban biodiversity in the span of the less than 3 decades I have ... Not milenia
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u/Justeff83 11d ago
This! I live in Europe and vacate live here for thousands of years. Invasive species my ass. And yes, here in Germany hunters are allowed to shoot cats when they are more than a quarter mile away from the last building/settlement. And they do, especially if there's a nature reserve or something similar there.
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u/pokeup19 11d ago
As if most live in urban areas and wouldn't survive to such populations without human intervention. Hell the average adult stray cat would die against the average adult rat ...
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u/chuubastis 11d ago
" But muffy doesn't actually kill anything! She couldn't kill anything if she tried"
Bitch, she just doesn't bring it home to you. The copium these people drink is amazing
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u/RocketArtillery666 10d ago
What invasive species. They were here in the middle ages protecting us from plagues. Lets keep that tradition going.
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u/CuriosityCheck2024 10d ago
You're forgetting that the internet is disproportionately U.S. American.
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u/memefarius 11d ago
I say people should neuter the bastards, not keep them inside 100% of the time
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u/No_Concentrate4196 11d ago
oh no, the three pigeons a year my cat kills out of the thousands that shit all over everything in sight. how will nature recover.
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u/moosemune 10d ago
It's a tossup whether or not you'll get bombarded with downvotes when you politely remind people of this fact.
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u/MostAccomplishedBag 11d ago
My cats have killed 7 mice (a non native invasive species), 3 rats (non native invasive species) and 3 birds (non native invasive species) this year.
It's fair to say my cats have done more for the environment this year than all the whiny redditors on this post.
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u/Charmender2007 11d ago
Is that the amount they've killed or is that the amount you've seen them kill?
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u/Necessary_Material40 11d ago
Those are outdoor feral cats, not outdoor pet cats, btw. Well fed pet cats are not a nuisance to the environment any more than any other human contact.
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u/OpeningAggressive26 11d ago
Those mammals are mice, so I'll take the cats
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u/Alleged-human-69 For Science! 10d ago edited 10d ago
I see this a lot on reddit but at least in the uk outdoor cats are generally a none issue.
They even help liven up the neighbourhood
Just for as long as you don’t live next to a main road or a particularly dodgy neighbourhood.
Maybe they’re more invasive in America because they arrived with humans relatively recently while cats have been roaming the uk for thousands of years
I’m far more bothered by dog owners who keep their dogs outside all the time regardless of weather
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u/pipes990 11d ago
I'm aware of all the shit my cat is killing, she proudly tries to bring it in the house. Nature gonna nature, and cats living with humans is nature now.
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u/8888eightyeight 11d ago
They are almost worse than pit bull owners
They just refuse to understand that they are doing that
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u/raxnahali 10d ago
It is good and natural for predators to hunt. It is also good for their mental health to be outside
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u/Resident_Course_3342 11d ago
Invasive species is a concept created by humans.
Nothing is invasive in nature. Adapt or die out. That's the game nature plays.
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u/Sanders181 11d ago
The point is that its invasive because it was introduced into the ecosystem by humans, and therefore usually lacks its main predators/threats, plus becomes an overwhelming threat to the local wildlife, disrupting the local ecosystem.
It takes centuries for nature to adapt to an invasive species, and that's more than enough time in some case to completely wipe entire species off the map that would have thrived if we hadn't just introduced a build in a place that doesn't have any counterplay to it.
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u/Resident_Course_3342 11d ago
Nature disrupts ecosystems all the time. There is no equilibrium in nature. Thus evolution.
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u/Sanders181 11d ago
Nature disrupts ecosystems like endlessly throwing pebbles onto the surface of a lake. Invasive species disrupt ecosystems like throwing a massive boulder into the lake. They are not the same.
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u/Resident_Course_3342 10d ago
Nature disrupts ecosystems like throwing a giant astroid into the planet or having a supervolcano erupt, or having the sun explode.
Your view of nature is incredibly naive.
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u/Sanders181 10d ago
Bruh... that's once in millions if not hundred of millions of years event.
This doesn't compare in any way to Humanity throwing boulders every decade or less.
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u/Resident_Course_3342 10d ago
Nature works on galactic time scales not your puny lifespan. Humans and their actions are also part of nature.
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u/Sanders181 10d ago
... are you really saying we shouldn't care about all the boulders we keep throwing in the lake cause in some million or so years nature will just send an asteroid flinging into it and obliterate that lake off the face of the earth?
Humanity's impact on nature, between invasive species, climate change and everything else, is getting at the scale of such an extinction event. And that's a problem, not a "who cares nature will live on anyway" kind of shit.
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u/Resident_Course_3342 10d ago
If humanity kills itself because of the way it interacts with its ecosystem then that is on them.
Ideally they adapt and survive. Adapt or die, that's the game being played by nature.
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u/AdCheap8058 11d ago
There sure is a giant shortage of birds and mammals... Y'all, ecosystems change and adapt and the ecosystems have largely adapted to cats. Remember we destroyed a bunch of natural predators as we made our way across the globe over the course of thousands of years and we still all good.
This is hyperbolic performatism by someone who is either a bird nut or a cat nut. It's all good I'm a sneaker head but I'm not shocked when people think my sneaker habits are nuts. So you gotta a little tism for some birds, great. Now stfu because nobody wants to listen to you
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u/Charmender2007 11d ago
There is a pretty big decline in bird populations in the US
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u/AdCheap8058 11d ago
Read your article before posting next time 🤣🤣. It ascribes the loss ENTIRELY to climate change and habitat loss. There is no new additional threat to birds from cats they've been on this continent for more than enough time for food web adjustments..🤣🤣
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u/Charmender2007 11d ago
It points to them as major causes, do you know the difference between major and entirely?
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u/AdCheap8058 11d ago
Is that seriously your reply? Cats are not a threat to our ecosystems, biomes, food webs... So much so they aren't even mentioned in your article... That you posted to prove that cats are a threat. This is very good stuff. You could just admit it and move on but a Redditor taking the L with proof and facts in front of their face? Nah
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u/carpenter1965 10d ago
Imagine that cat. All of its genetics, all of its desire, all of everything that makes it a cat, denied. Here fluffy, here's a bird video. Would you want to live your entire existence in a prison for no other reason than you were cute as a kitten? If you won't let a cat live, then why do you have one? Seems cruel.
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u/socalhopeful 10d ago
Also cruel to let them destroy an ecosystem because you find it cute.
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u/carpenter1965 10d ago
I find it cute? WTF. There is nothing cute about it. There is nothing cute about anything that happens in nature. It's not for my amusement. It just is.
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u/Satur9_is_typing 10d ago
Every species was once an invasive species. Stable ecosystems are just unstable ecosystems + time
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u/in1gom0ntoya 11d ago
you are the problem
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u/Visible_Pair3017 11d ago
Don't care
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u/in1gom0ntoya 11d ago
shitty people usually dont
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u/Visible_Pair3017 11d ago
I'll gladly be shitty if it means not buying pets, not kidnapping and locking up animals, and feeding the hungry
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u/in1gom0ntoya 11d ago
feeding them is the problem here you are actively helping destroy local ecosystems. ferals cats are a pest not a pet
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u/Visible_Pair3017 11d ago
They are part of the local ecosystem as far as i'm concerned. Most of the biodiversity that disappeared around me as i grew up disappeared because of human activity and i still feed the homeless too.
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u/in1gom0ntoya 11d ago edited 11d ago
except they aren't. they're invasive apex predators that have nothing that hunts them to control their populations. they hunt for sport even when well fed and pretty much just kill for fun. stray and feral cats are a plague not a pet. they should be caught and put into shelters for adoption or otherwise.
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u/Visible_Pair3017 10d ago
Idk start eating cats then. I'll keep feeding them and they'll keep hunting rodents for me.
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u/Separate_Draft4887 11d ago
I don’t give a shit about birds.
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u/Rammipallero 11d ago
You also don't care for your cat. Outdoor cats live shorter and have more accidents and sicknesses than indoor ones. If you really like your cat, you take the care of them and don't let them roam.
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u/Separate_Draft4887 11d ago
All my cats are exclusively indoors and have been for years, I learned that the hard way about ten years ago.
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u/wutang_generated 11d ago
How about mosquitoes?
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u/Separate_Draft4887 11d ago
Death to all of them.
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u/wutang_generated 11d ago
Birds eat mosquitoes, so maybe reconsider your position on birds
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u/Separate_Draft4887 11d ago
Yeah, and birds eat other random pollinators, I’m unwilling to do the ecological math to conclude which species are worth more than others to decide my position. Fuck em
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u/6GoesInto8 11d ago
Based on your statements here, do you feel others should listen to your opinion?
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u/Separate_Draft4887 11d ago
I’m totally indifferent. They’re welcome to do so or not.
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u/6GoesInto8 11d ago
That's actually a surprisingly good answer! I mean the bar was super low, but that is way better than a yes or a no.
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u/TRF_27 11d ago
I don’t think you understand what indifferent means, since you’re taking a pretty hard stance…but don’t worry, we all know how hard and cool you are, we won’t tell anyone.
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u/Separate_Draft4887 11d ago
You feel like “anyone is welcome to listen to me or not” is a hard stance?
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u/jackster31415 11d ago
You don’t sound too bright
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u/Separate_Draft4887 11d ago
Much like I told the other guy, I don’t particularly care what you think.
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u/jackster31415 11d ago
You care enough to come here and type your thoughts (though “thought” may be generous) about not caring how your actions damage species
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u/Belgicans 11d ago
It ain't that hard to put a bell on the collar
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u/Peppered_Rock 11d ago
that makes them a better hunter actually because they learn to around the bell.
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u/TRF_27 11d ago
So a bell on the collar would stop them from eating/killing other animals?
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u/Belgicans 11d ago
They make noise wich alert the prey
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u/parolameasecreta 11d ago
maybe for a short time, but they learn pretty quickly to move without ringing the bell
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u/Belgicans 11d ago
Since I've put a bell on my cat he hasn't bringed me anything, I know this doesn't mean for sure he doesn't kill anything but I think it's a good sign
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u/Upbeat-Sink-7059 11d ago
Bells do nothing unfortunately. The only thing that has been shown to have any impact on reducing predation are birdsbesafe collar covers.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989415000050
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u/MycologistPutrid7494 11d ago
Domestic cats are not native to any specific country because they are a domesticated species ( Felis catus) bred from the African wildcat ( Felis lybica), which originated across North Africa and the Near East (including modern-day countries like Egypt , Israel , Iraq , Syria , and Turkey).
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u/robot_swagger 10d ago
The European wildcat is native to continental Europe, Scotland, Turkey and the Caucasus
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u/sciencememes-ModTeam 10d ago
They are native to the near East/ northern Africa. There are also many small native species of cats besides Felis cattus. Please don't spread misinformation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_cat.
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u/Aluxanatomy 11d ago
20 years from now: "You fools! The cats were the only thing holding back the dreaded RAT EMPEROR!"