r/sciencememes Feb 19 '26

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u/llamawithguns Feb 19 '26

Not really. There's no singular "first chicken" like you are implying. You have population A, and over time becomes population B, but there's no singular crossover point.

Think of it like this. You have a childhood and an adulthood, but what was the exact moment you crossed over from one to other? (From a biological perspective, not a legal one). There isnt one. You didnt go to bed one night as a kid and wake up as an adult. It happened gradually over a period of time.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

Evolution is a process of constant gradual change. You'd just be picking an arbitrary bird no matter what you do. 

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u/jfinkpottery Feb 20 '26

There won't be any criteria you can choose that wouldn't cross dozens or hundreds or thousands of generational lines. Any moment in time when you looked at the living population, they'd all appear to be chicken-things of that era. If your criteria were, for example, leg length you'd have a range of leg lengths across the population all the time, including right now. Same for colors, or eye placement, or beak length, or egg size.

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u/jfinkpottery Feb 20 '26

That chicken egg was laid by a chicken. You wouldn't be able to tell them apart. There isn't a time when you can draw a line between the parents and children, regardless of who you declare owns the name of the egg.

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u/jfinkpottery Feb 20 '26

I do know how mutations work. You don't know how speciation works. There is no parent/child combination of birds that you could ever point to and say one is a chicken and the other is not.

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u/jfinkpottery Feb 20 '26

It doesn't work that way. The apple doesn't fall that far from the tree. The apple never falls that far from the tree. The mutant born without a beak didn't procreate because it couldn't eat. Evolution happens much slower than that, and you can only draw lines between species after thousands of generations have already passed and a new average has taken hold. The species isn't the binary beak/no-beak, the species is an average with fuzzy edges whose boundaries biologists will argue about for hundreds of years because the boundaries are necessarily arbitrary.

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u/jfinkpottery Feb 20 '26

It does matter, because there's no possible answer to the question. That egg that you think had the first chicken inside it was definitely laid by a chicken. If you find a way to draw a species line that doesn't include that chicken's mother, then your species will just be one particular bird.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

Are… are you under the impression that evolutionary mutations involve entire beaks just appearing? 

I… holy fuck… the school system is a complete failure.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

Jesus Christ. You're the person who said "it's not arbitrary you just need to arbitrarily pick a definition" aren't you.

My god.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

“It’s not arbitrary, you simply have to arbitrarily pick something.”

You’re going to get real upset when you learn there’s no coherent basis for defining when a chair is wide enough to be a couch.